- TONIGHT A CONVERSATION WITH POLITICAL COMMENTATOR AND SYNDICATED RADIO HOST, ERIC ERICKSON.

- REGARDLESS OF WHO BECOMES GOVERNOR, GEORGIAN, TEND TO BE VERY PRO BUSINESS.

THEY'RE ALL VERY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, EXCEPT THAT THE OUT OF THE OUTER EDGES OF A PARTY.

SO, ECONOMICALLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY DISRUPTED.

I THINK WHERE YOU SEE IT IS, IT'S THINGS LIKE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

BRIAN KEMP IS PROBABLY THE PRESERVER OF THE STATUS QUO.

AND IRONICALLY, STACEY ABRAMS WOULD BE MUCH MORE OF THE PRESERVER OF THE STATUS QUO THAN EITHER OF THE OTHER TWO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES RUNNING.

- ERIC ERICKSON COMING UP RIGHT NOW.

- LOVE & RESPECT WITH KILLER MIKE IS MADE POSSIBLE BY... (UPBEAT MUSIC) (UPBEAT MUSIC) - MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A BEST-SELLING AUTHOR AND HOST TO THE SOUTHEAST'S TOP RADIO PROGRAM, THE NATIONALLY SYNDICATED ERIC ERICKSON SHOW.

LOVE AND RESPECT TO YOU, ERIC, HOW YOU DOING, MAN?

WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

- I'M GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

- IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE.

YOU'RE A WHITE, CHRISTIAN MALE, BORN IN THE SOUTH, BUT YOU DID NOT GROW UP SOUTHERN.

- I DIDN'T.

- YOU GREW UP IN DUBAI, WHICH IS WHERE ALL THE IG MODELS GET PAID TO GO TO NOW.

- OH, TOTALLY!

- SO, I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE YOU AS, YOU KNOW, THUNDER THOUGHT A LOT.

- YEAH.

- BUT, HOW DID YOU END UP AS A FIVE-YEAR-OLD WHITE CHILD WHO'S A CHRISTIAN IN AN ALL MUSLIM COUNTRY, THAT MANY YEARS AGO?

BECAUSE WE'RE THE SAME AGE, WE'RE BOTH 46.

- YEAH.

SO, MY DAD IN 1980, MY DAD WORKED FOR CONOCO OIL IN THE GULF OF MEXICO, FROM LOUISIANA.

AND I REMEMBER AS A SMALL CHILD, OCCASIONALLY, WE'D HAVE TO GET UP AND WE WOULD DRIVE HIM TWO HOURS FROM OUR HOUSE DOWN SOUTH OF NEW ORLEANS TO GET PICKED UP TO GO OFF TO OIL RIG.

AND WHEN I WAS FIVE, HIS COMPANY SAID, PICK: CANARY ISLANDS, INDONESIA, OR DUBAI?

AND HE PICKED THE CANARY ISLANDS.

AND THEY SAID, OKAY, PICK: INDONESIA OR DUBAI.

AND HE PICKED INDONESIA.

THEY SAID, OKAY, DUBAI.

WE WENT OVER THERE, '80 TO '90.

(LAUGHTER) - SOUNDS RIGHT.

- WE WOULD COME HOME DURING THE SUMMER.

THE COOLEST PART ABOUT IT WAS EVERY THREE MONTHS, IF YOU WERE AN AMERICAN, YOUR VISA WAS EXPIRED.

MY DAD'S COMPANY WOULD SAY, PICK A PLACE AND GO FOR A WEEK.

AND SO I'VE STILL BEEN TO MORE COUNTRIES THAN STATES JUST THROUGH THAT.

IT WAS A GREAT WAY TO GROW UP, BUT IT WAS ALSO VERY WEIRD TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GO TO CHURCH, YOU COULDN'T GO TO CHURCH IN THE DAY.

THE SABBATH WAS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY THERE.

SO, ON SUNDAY NIGHT THERE WOULD BE A GROUP CHURCH SOMEWHERE.

WHEN WE FIRST GOT THERE, YOU HAD TO BRING YOUR BIBLE.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TO LITERALLY CARRY IT IN YOUR HAND.

OTHERWISE IT WASN'T GONNA TO BE THERE.

BUT OVER TIME IT, IT GOT LOOSER AND LOOSER.

- WAS IT A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT?

THE REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE AMONGST BLACK MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PRETTY COOL RELATIONSHIP.

THERE'S A BIG MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN THE WEST END HERE AND CHRISTIAN, OF COURSE, COMMUNITY ON THE WEST SIDE, CAUSE IT'S VIRTUALLY ALL BLACK AT THE TIME I GREW UP BUT EVERYONE KIND OF GOT ALONG AS NEIGHBORS PRETTY WELL.

WAS IT HOSTILE OR?

- NO, WE DIDN'T EVEN LIVE IN A GATED NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE JUST IN NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WALKED TO SCHOOL.

THERE WERE PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST THAT WERE MUCH MORE HOSTILE AND REPRESSIVE.

I HAD FRIENDS ACTUALLY, WHEN I WAS A KID WHO WENT TO SAUDI ARABIA DURING RAMADAN, THEY WERE IN A VOLLEYBALL TOURNAMENT.

SO, YOU KNOW, HERE YOU GO FROM LIKE NORTH ATLANTA TO SOUTH ATLANTA TO PLAY SPORTS.

IN DUBAI YOU'D GO TO JORDAN, SYRIA, EGYPT.

AND SO THEY WENT DURING RAMADAN AND THEY ACTUALLY GOT HELD DOWN BY THE RELIGIOUS POLICE THERE AND SPRAY PAINTED THEIR LEGS BLACK BECAUSE THEY WERE SHOWING SKIN DURING RAMADAN.

- OH, YEAH, YEAH.

- BUT DUBAI WAS PRETTY LAID BACK.

THE AMERICANS HAD LIQUOR STORES THEY COULD GO TO IF THEY HAD AN AMERICAN PASSPORT.

THE ONLY ALLOWED CHURCH WAS A BRITISH ANGLICAN CHURCH BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN A BRITISH COLONY.

BUT AS LONG AS YOU WERE AT NIGHT AND QUIET ABOUT IT, YOU COULD GO TO CHURCH GENERALLY.

- DO YOU FEEL A SENSE OF DUTY TO LEAD A DIGNIFIED LIFE, ONE THAT HE CAN AND YOUR MOM WOULD BE PROUD OF?

- YEAH, I DO.

YOU KNOW, SO I DO.

I DO TALK RADIO NOW.

PRETTY GOOD AT IT.

I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL THOUGH.

AND MY MOM TO THIS DAY STILL TELLS ME, "KEEP YOUR LAW LICENSE, IF THIS RADIO THING DOESN'T WORK OUT, YOU CAN BE A LAWYER."

I DON'T WANT TO BE A LAWYER AGAIN.

- MY GRANDFATHER GREW UP WITH NO FATHER.

AND I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY HE WAS SO KIND AND LOVING AND PATIENT WITH US, WHEN WE HAD THE STORIES OF A YOUNGER, WILD CHILDHOOD WITH HIM.

LIKE EACH, OUT OF A COUPLE OF FOLKS, MAYBE ONE LIVE, MAYBE ONE DIDN'T.

WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WILLIE DID TO YOUNGER WILLIE.

BUT AS AN OLDER MAN, HE WAS VERY CARE-TAKING, VERY CONCERNING AND MY SISTER WOULD SAY, MY SISTER WENT TO DILLARD, IT ALL HONORS, SHE SAID, "YOU KNOW, GRANDDAD WAS NEVER GOING TO GO OUT AND BE IN A CROWD BUT HE TOLD ME, I'D BE HOME WHEN YOU GOT HOME FROM THE PROGRAM FOR ONE OF THE AWARDS.

AND HE WAS ON THE PORCH EVERY TIME I DID."

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING HOW DIFFERENT FATHERS FROM THE WORKING CLASS HAVE HAD TO OPERATE DIFFERENTLY.

AND THE KIDS THAT GET PAST WHATEVER DRAMAS OR TRAUMAS, WOULD PROCEED AND MAKE SURE THAT CONNECTION IS THERE.

SO I JUST LIKE TO.. - YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH MY OLDEST, NOW SHE'S 16.

- YEAH.

WOO.

- 16 YEAR OLD GIRL AND THE SCHOOL DRAMA AND STUFF AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE HAD INCIDENTS IN OUR HOUSE SEVERAL YEARS AGO RELATED TO MY JOB AND SO SHE WENT TO A COUNSELOR AND TALKED ABOUT IT AND STUFF AND SHE MADE SOME OFFHANDED COMMENT ABOUT IT.

AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE TRAUMA IN YOUR LIFE.

YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO DEFINE IT OR IT'S GOING TO DEFINE YOU.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WITH MY FAMILY AND STUFF GROWING UP.

WHEN I WAS 11 YEARS OLD, MY PARENTS LET ME FLY HOME BY MYSELF, FROM DUBAI TO BATON ROUGE, LOUISIANA.

THE PLANE CRASHED.

I KNEW ONE PERSON ON THE PLANE AND MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY IT CRASHED.

IT LANDED WITHOUT WHEELS ON A FOAMED RUNWAY IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY.

- OKAY.

I GOT STUCK BY MYSELF AT AMSTERDAM, OVERNIGHT, AS AN 11 YEAR OLD AND HAD TO FIGURE IT OUT.

AND I TELL THAT STORY OF MY WIFE'S LIKE, THAT'S.. THAT'S CHILD ABUSE, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOUR PARENTS.. LIKE THAT'S THE WAY I GREW UP.

- I REMEMBER KIDS FLYING BY THEMSELVES.

LIKE I REMEMBER GOING ON EASTERN AIRLINES BY CLASS.

IT WASN'T BY OURSELVES, BUT IT WAS A BUNCH OF US.

YOU FLEW DOWN TO ORLANDO.

I THINK HE'S SHOP, BOUGHT SOME SOUVENIRS FROM YOUR MOMMA.

I REMEMBER LATCHKEY KEY.

AND I REMEMBER RIDING THE TRAINS BY MYSELF AT 10.

MY GRANDFATHER WORKED IN A LUMBER YARD AT 10 YEARS OLD.

SO, PROGRESSION IS HAPPENING EVEN IF WE WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROGRESS.

BUT I REMEMBER HAVING A 16 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER AND NOW SHE'S 24.

WELL THAT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TIMES.

- OH MY GOD.

- YOU GOT MY PRAYERS.

- THANK YOU.

- LET ME ASK YOU, SO I'VE LISTENED TO WSB A VERY LONG TIME.

I'VE LISTENED TO CONSERVATIVE RADIO AND MORE LIBERAL RADIO.

SO SHELLEY WYNTER'S, I GOT TO GIVE SHELLEY A SHOUT OUT, WHO'S NOW COMPADRE OF YOURS.

HE'S HE'S ON AT NIGHT, YOU'RE ON IN THE MORNINGS THERE.

I FOLLOWED FROM LIBERAL RADIO FROM WAOK OVER.

BUT I'VE LISTENED TO BOORTZ WHEN HE WAS THERE, I LISTENED TO CAIN.

I'VE FOUND IT BETTER FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE TOTALITY OF INTERPRETATIONS FOR HOW THE WORLD IS GOING ON.

SO IT'S HELPED ME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I DISCOVERED CLARK, STUFF LIKE THAT.

YOU ARE, HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IN ATLANTA THAN, SAY NEIL, WHEN NEAL WAS ON BOARD, HE WOULD SAY SOMETHING RADICALLY INSANE ABOUT- "DON'T GO INTO ATLANTA.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE MURDERED!"

AND TAKE HIS CO-HOST, ROYAL AND DONNA TO SAY OH NO, YOU'RE EXAGGERATING THERE.

BUT NOW HE'S ON TWITTER AND GOD BLESS ALL.

HE'S JUST GOING CRAZY.

BUT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T SUBJECT IN ATLANTA TO THE SAME, I GUESS, WHIPPING POSTS.

YOU DON'T TYPE THE ALLMAN BROTHERS SONGS.

YOU DON'T TYPE ATLANTA AS A CITY TO THE SAME WHIPPING POSTS.

YOU'RE CRITICAL, YOU CRITIQUE.

BUT WHAT SHOULD PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS CITY THAT THEY MAY NOT?

BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE, OFTEN TELL ME IT FEELS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY PERCEIVED.

- YOU KNOW, I LIVE SOUTH OF THE CITY.

I COME IN REGULARLY.

I BRING MY KIDS UP.

AND I EVEN, EVEN HERE IN GEORGIA, "OH, I CAN'T BELIEVE, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE SHOOTINGS IN ATLANTA?

YOU CAN'T GO UP THERE."

IT'S LIKE, YEAH, THEY WERE ALL AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

I'M NOT GOING OUT AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

I'M OLD AND GOT KIDS.

I GOTTA BE IN BED.

BUT I MEAN, GOSH, WHEREVER I GO IN THE CITY, I DON'T FEEL UNSAFE IN THE CITY.

AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO'S WILLING TO HELP OR OFFER HELP.

YOU GET LOST IN THE CITY, YOU'RE GONNA TO MAKE A NEW FRIEND.

IT'S, IT REALLY IS A FUN PLACE.

I GREW UP IN DUBAI AND THEN SO RURAL LOUISIANA, I MEAN PEOPLE IN GEORGIA APPARENTLY THEY COUNT HOW SMALL YOUR TOWN IS BY STOPLIGHTS.

WE DIDN'T HAVE STOPLIGHTS, IT WAS SO SMALL.

- OH WOW.

- WE HAD THE STATE MENTAL INSTITUTION.

THAT WAS OUR BIGGEST, BIGGEST INDUSTRY, OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.

AND I CAME TO GEORGIA AND ATLANTA WAS THE BIG CITY AND IT IS A FUN PLACE, AND I LOVE TO EAT AND THERE ARE RESTAURANTS EVERYWHERE THAT ARE GREAT.

- YEAH, I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME THAT THIS PLACE IS A SMALL TOWN MASQUERADING AS A BIG CITY.

AND I HOPE WE NEVER STOP BEING THAT.

MY GRANDMOTHER, WHO'S NOT FAMOUS, NOT KNOWN AT ALL, COULD GET TO ANDY YOUNG'S MAYORAL OFFICE WITHIN SIX PHONE CALLS.

IT TAKES ME ONE OR TWO MAYBE.

AND WHAT I DO LIKE ABOUT THIS TOWN IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEIR, STILL KNOW THEIR LEGISLATORS OR PEOPLE WHO STILL GOT TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER, KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS.

AND IF WE COULD SOLVE THE HOUSING PROBLEM AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY LIVE IN A HOUSE 20, 30 YEARS, LONG-TERM, I THINK WE COULD SAVE LIVES.

SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT.

- YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD SAY UNLIKE A LOT OF PLACES IN THE SOUTH, HAVING GROWN UP IN SOUTH LOUISIANA, NEW ORLEANS AND ALL, NOBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHO YOUR DADDY IS.

THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE FROM.

AND THEN YOU'RE NOW FROM ATLANTA.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE FROM HOUSTON OR SAN FRANCISCO, YOU'RE NOW FROM ATLANTA.

- ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

WE WERE BOTH CONSIDERED POLITICAL.

I DON'T ALWAYS CONSIDER MYSELF POLITICAL, BUT PEOPLE LOOK AT ME POLITICALLY TO THE LEFT.

PEOPLE LOOK AT YOU POLITICALLY TO THE RIGHT, BUT WE BOTH SEEM TO BE WILLING TO AND ARE ADVANTAGEOUS AT TALKING TO PEOPLE FROM THE OTHER SIDE, TALKING IN A LOVING AND RESPECTFUL WAY.

DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE BLIND WITH LOVE AND EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE OKAY.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE AGREE ALL THE TIME, BUT THERE'S A RESPECTFULNESS TO YOUR SHOW AND YOU TALKING TO PEOPLE.

THAT YOU DON'T FIND ON THAT SIDE.

AND THERE'S A RESPECTFULNESS THAT I LIKE TO BRING TO THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT DOESN'T JUDGE, DOESN'T ACCUSE, DOESN'T MAKE YOU CULPABLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S EVER HAPPENED FROM THIS SIDE OF THE RIGHT.

HOW DO YOU MANAGE TO DO THAT?

AND WHAT ENCOURAGES YOU TO KEEP DOING IT IN THESE DAYS AND TIMES?

WE'RE POLITICIZING FROM OUR POLAR OPPOSITE- MAKES A LOT MORE MONEY.

- WELL, I CAN'T SAY THAT I WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY.

EH, GOSH.

- THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO START.

- FIVE YEARS AGO, I GUESS, I NEARLY DIED OF-- LIKE LITERALLY NEARLY DIED.

- BEYOND THE PLANE CRASH?

- NO, NO, THAT WAS WHEN I WAS 11.

- THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BEYOND THAT.

- YEAH, YEAH YEAH.

- GOD TESTED YOU TWICE.

- OH YEAH.

SO GOSH, YOU KNOW, ALL BAD STORIES START IN CROSSFIT GYMS.

I DECIDED TO TRY TO GET IN SHAPE AND LOSE WEIGHT AND I COULDN'T KEEP UP AND IT GOT WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.

AND SOMETIME AROUND MARCH OR SO OF 2016, I WAS STOPPING GOING UP THE STAIRS AT NIGHT.

AND MY WIFE'S LIKE, "YOU GOT TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL."

I WAS LIKE, I HAD A TRIP.

SO I WENT ON THE TRIP, WAS MISERABLE.

WENT TO THE HOSPITAL, AND NEXT THING I KNOW THEY'RE STRAPPING ME DOWN AND SAYING, "SIR, YOU'RE ABOUT TO DIE."

- OH WOW.

- I HAD DOZENS OF BLOOD CLOTS IN MY LUNGS, NOT JUST ONE OR TWO.

- OH WOW.

- MY BLOOD OXYGEN LEVEL WAS ABOUT 80%.

AND I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR TWO WEEKS.

THE DAY THEY WHEELED ME IN TO THE ICU UNIT, MY WIFE GOT A CALL.

SHE HAD HAD SOME HEALTH PROBLEMS YEARS BEFORE.

AND THE MAYO CLINIC CALLED HER AND SAID, "WE THINK YOU GOT LUNG CANCER."

- TO YOUR WIFE?

- TO MY WIFE.

SO THE DAY THAT I GOT IN THE HOSPITAL, AND LITERALLY IT'S LIKE, "CALL YOUR FAMILY, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO COME IN.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT THE NEXT 24 HOURS."

MY WIFE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH AN INCURABLE FORM OF GENETIC LUNG CANCER ALL IN ONE DAY.

AND AFTER THAT, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY PRIORITIES ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE SCREWED UP.

I NEED TO BE MORE IN TOUCH WITH MY KIDS.

I WROTE A BOOK TO MY KIDS ON THE THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW AND REALIZED IN WRITING THE BOOK, POLITICS REALLY ISN'T THAT IMPORTANT.

KNOWING YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT.

AND SO THROUGH ALL OF THAT, I ENROLLED IN SEMINARY A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE THAT, REALIZED HOW MUCH I WAS TWISTING MY FAITH TO MY POLITICS INSTEAD OF MY POLITICS TO MY FAITH.

I CAME OUT OF THAT THINKING YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED TO BE THE PERSON THAT I WAS IN RELATING TO PEOPLE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE ALL MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, WE'VE ALL GOT SOMETHING TO TEACH EACH OTHER.

- ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

DR. BERNICE KING, AND I'M PARAPHRASING, BUT ESSENTIALLY SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, JESUS WAS NOT A WHITE MAN, AMERICAN FLAGS IS NOT A, ESSENTIALLY A CROSS, BUT NOT TO TEAR DOWN WHITE MEN NECESSARILY.

BUT TO JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US GET MISINFORMED SOME, AND YOU CAN GET SO PROUD OF WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE YOU YOU DON'T REALIZE I HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED MUCH 'CAUSE I WAS JUST TAKING PRIDE IN THAT.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU PROGRESS PAST THE POLARIZATION OF SAYING "THIS IS WHO I AM AS DEFINED BY WHAT I BELIEVE."

TO JUST SAYING "THIS IS WHO I AM AS A HUMAN BEING."

AND CONNECTING WITH OTHER HUMAN BEINGS ON THAT LEVEL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY'RE THINKING, BUT MORE SO ABOUT, "THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR, THIS IS A FELLOW HUMAN, AND THERE'S SOMETHING DIVINE WITHIN HUMAN BEINGS."

- I SO SURROUNDED MYSELF WITH PEOPLE IN POLITICS, IT WAS HARD TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION.

AND WHEN YOU'RE IN POLITICS SO MUCH, YOU GET VERY TRIBAL, AND SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS LIKE DONNA BRAZILE AND JAMES CARVILLE, WHEN I WAS AT CNN, WE BECAME FRIENDS.

AND WE'RE ALL FROM LOUISIANA.

WE COULD TALK ABOUT LSU AND GUMBO, AND NOT TALK ABOUT POLITICS.

SUDDENLY YOU REALIZE, "OH MY GOSH, I CAN FIND STUFF IN COMMON WITH PEOPLE I NEVER THOUGHT I COULD."

- YOU HAD A RELATIVE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING OF DYING, DIE OF COVID, AND YOU ARE EXTRA CRITICAL ON THOSE WHO MISINFORM NOW.

COVID IS DANGEROUS.

DISEASES ARE DANGEROUS.

VIRUSES ARE DANGEROUS, BUT WE'VE SEEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN COVID.

AND I DON'T KNOW A PERSON THAT'S UNTOUCHED.

I DON'T KNOW A PERSON THAT HASN'T LOST OR NEARLY LOST SOMEONE.

AND TYPICALLY ON THE RIGHT, YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR FREEDOMS.

YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR THE FREEDOM FOR SAY OVER MY OWN BODY, YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT ON THIS ONE, YOU KIND OF BROKE FROM THEM AND SAID, "NO, IT'S NOT RIGHT TO MISINFORM PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT RIGHT TO DISAGREE WITH SCIENCE.

WE HAVE TO DO THIS."

DID SIMPLY THE DEATH OF YOUR RELATIVE DO THAT?

OR WITNESSING THE DEATHS OF THOSE WHO COULDN'T NECESSARILY FINANCIALLY AFFORD TO LIVE WITH IT OR FINANCIALLY AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF BURIALS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE?

WAS IT MORE OR JUST THAT ONE THING?

- IT ACTUALLY WAS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

IT WAS AFTER THE 2020 ELECTION, AND SEEING SO MANY PEOPLE ON MY SIDE EMBRACE A LOT OF LIES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

AND THEN SEE THIS VIRUS START COMING UP, AND PEOPLE ARE DOING THE SAME THING.

AND IT'S OTHER PEOPLE ARE BELIEVING THE LIES, AND IT'S COSTING THEM THEIR RELATIVES.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING BAD HAPPEN TO YOU OR YOUR FAMILY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRUTH IS.

AND I'VE BECOME REALLY IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS CONCERNED WITH, I MEAN, YOU AND I CAN LOOK AT AN ISSUE AND COME OUT WITH A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING.

AND PEOPLE NO LONGER EVEN WANT TO LOOK AT THE SAME THING.

AND SO I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE VIRUS ON MY RADIO SHOW BACK IN JANUARY OF 2020 SAYING, "TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY."

AND SEEING SO MANY PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T AND MY AUNT, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SOUTH.

SHE IS NOT A BLOOD RELATIVE.

SHE IS MY MOTHER'S LIFELONG BEST FRIEND.

- THAT'S YOUR AUNTIE.

- YEAH.

- ABSOLUTELY.

- I MEAN, I NEVER DIDN'T CALL "AUNT."

- TO BE RESPECTED AS SUCH.

ABSOLUTELY.

- YES, I MEAN THE ONLY WOMAN OUTSIDE MY FAMILY WHO COULD SPANK ME.

- ABSOLUTELY.

- SHE WAS ALSO MY KINDERGARTEN TEACHER.

I LOVED HER AND SHE GOT ASTHMA, HAD HORRIBLE ASTHMA AND SHE DID EVERY PRECAUTION SHE COULD, AND SHE GOT IT IN THE HOSPITAL.

IT SPREAD AND SHE NEVER LEFT THE HOSPITAL, AND I COULDN'T GO TO THE FUNERAL.

AND THEN MY WIFE WITH LUNG CANCER, I GOTTA BE CAREFUL.

AND TO HAVE FRIENDS OF MINE SAY, "THIS REALLY ISN'T REAL."

WHEN I'M LIKE, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO I LOVE WHO HAVE DIED FROM THIS AND YOU DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S REAL.

THERE'S SOMETHING PROFOUNDLY, SPIRITUALLY WRONG WITH THE COUNTRY WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.

- YEAH.

SO WE GOT TO DO MORE WITH EACH OTHER AND TO HELP EACH OTHER.

- YES.

- NOT TO ARGUE POINTS.

- AND NOT BE MAD.

THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO GET ANGRY.

LIKE I THINK YOU SHOULD GET THE VACCINE, BUT I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE WHO DON'T, THE HESITANCY, REAL WORLD PROBLEMS, CONCERNS.

SO DON'T BE MAD AT PEOPLE; LOVE THEM, BUT YOU CAN DISAGREE.

- YOU WERE NOT PRO-TRUMP IN '16.

- HA, NO.

- I WAS NOT PRO-HILLARY IN '16.

YOU WERE EVEN ASKED IF YOU WANTED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN TRUMP OR HILLARY WITH A GUN TO YOUR HEAD, YOU SAID, "I'D TAKE THE BULLET."

(LAUGHING) I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S A LITTLE EXTREME.

(LAUGHING) I DON'T WANT TO QUIT.

BUT YOU LATER CAME AROUND IN SUPPORT OF TRUMP IN SOME CAPACITY OR THAT HE HAD DONE A FAIR ENOUGH JOB.

SO THEN IN '20 YOU, YOU SHIFTED WITH HIM, RIGHT?

THE 2020 ELECTION.

SO MANY PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED HIM ARE SAYING "STOLEN ELECTION."

- RIGHT.

- IS THAT GOING TO HURT THE GOP?

AND IS THAT GOING TO HURT YOUR CANDIDATE?

- YOU KNOW, IT COULD.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RUNOFF IN GEORGIA, I MEAN, I CAN GIVE YOU THE PRECISE NUMBER WAS 427,205 OF 700,000 PEOPLE WERE REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED IN THE GENERAL ELECTION AND NEVER SHOWED UP IN THE RUNOFF.

HAD THOSE REPUBLICAN, HAD HALF OF THEM SHOWN UP, DAVID PERDUE WOULD HAVE BEATEN JON OSSOFF.

HAD JUST HALF OF THEM SHOWN UP, EVEN LESS THAN HALF, BUT THEY TALK THEMSELVES OUT OF RUNNING, CHECK THEMSELVES OUT OF WINNING.

THEY BELIEVE THE LIE AND DECIDED TO STAY HOME.

AND YEAH, IF THEY CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THE LIES, AND I CONTINUE-- I GET ANGRY PHONE CALLS EVEN FROM MY LISTENERS WHO KNOW WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH 2020 TO GET TO 2022.

I WAS AN ELECTIONS LAWYER.

THAT KIND OF INFORMS MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT WASN'T STOLEN, BUT YEAH, PEOPLE WILL TALK THEMSELVES INTO OR OUT OF ANYTHING THEY CAN.

- WHAT IS GEORGIA'S POLITICAL OUTLOOK FOR YOU?

NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF WHO WINS THIS ELECTION, BUT AS A STATE WHERE DO WE GO?

BECAUSE SOUTHERNERS, BE THEY BLACK OR WHITE, TEND TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS WITH HOW THINGS PROGRESS VERSUS RIGHT NOW, AT THIS TIME, THINGS SEEM TO BE PUSHED IN A MORE LEFT PLACE.

- REGARDLESS OF WHO BECOMES GOVERNOR, GEORGIANS TEND TO BE VERY PRO BUSINESS.

THEY'RE ALL VERY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, EXCEPT FOR THE OUTER EDGES OF BOTH PARTIES.

SO ECONOMICALLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY DISRUPTED.

I THINK WHERE YOU SEE IT IS IT'S THINGS LIKE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM WITH, IF IT'S DAVID PERDUE OR VERNON JONES, HOW FURTHER RIGHT DOES THE GOP GO IN TERMS OF SOUNDING LIKE AND ADVOCATING, AND DONALD TRUMP BECOMES MORE POPULOUS, LESS CONSERVATIVE.

SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO ME.

I THINK IN PERSPECTIVE, BRIAN KEMP IS PROBABLY THE PRESERVER OF THE STATUS QUO AND IRONICALLY STACEY ABRAMS WOULD BE MUCH MORE OF THE PRESERVER OF THE STATUS QUO THAN EITHER OF THE OTHER TWO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES RUNNING.

- PART OF WHAT MADE ME PAY ATTENTION TO HIM AT CAMPAIGNING WAS THE GUN COMMERCIAL.

(LAUGHING) (COUNTRY MUSIC) - I'M BRIAN KEMP, THIS IS JAKE, YOUNG MAN INTERESTED IN ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS.

- YES, SIR.

- TWO THINGS IF YOU'RE GONNA DATE ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS?

- RESPECT.

- AND?

- A HEALTHY APPRECIATION FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT, SIR.

(GUN CLICKS) - WE'RE GONNA TO GET ALONG JUST FINE.

- [VOICEOVER] BRIAN KEMP FOR GOVERNOR.

- ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE MAD ABOUT THE GUN COMMERCIAL, BUT IF YOU'VE HAD A 16 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, 18 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER GOING TO THE PROM, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T PULL A GUN, - RIGHT.

- YOU FELT LIKE IT.

- I HAD THAT HAPPEN TO ME.

I HAD THAT HAPPEN TO ME WHEN I WAS 16 YEARS OLD.

- DAD SHOWED UP WITH A GUN AT THE DOOR?

- WHEN I BROUGHT HER HOME, HE WAS ON THE FRONT PORCH WITH A SHOTGUN.

- I KISSED A MUSLIM GIRL AT GRADY HIGH SCHOOL, SUMMER PROGRAM.

I KISSED HER AND HER FATHER SHOWED UP THE NEXT DAY, AND SAID, "YOU ARE MARRYING MY DAUGHTER."

AND I'M LIKE, "WHAT?"

HE'S LIKE, "YOU HAVE DEFILED MY DAUGHTER."

SHE WAS OUT OF THE BLACK MUSLIM COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT TAUGHT ME YOU DON'T GO AROUND JUST KISSING EVERY GIRL, IF YOU DON'T GOT THE BEST INTENTIONS.

BUT THAT COMMERCIAL, I UNDERSTOOD.

I UNDERSTOOD THAT COMMERCIAL CAUSE I'M A SOUTHERNER.

I GOT THAT IT WASN'T SERIOUS.

I GOT IT WAS HOKEY.

AND IT WAS EFFECTIVE TO ME AS WARNOCK HOLDING A PUPPY IN HIS COMMERCIAL.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU CAN'T HATE A GUY WITH THE PUPPY.

SO WARNOCK WON FROM THE DEM SIDE, KEMP WON FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

BUT IN MATTERS OF OWNING GUNS, I TAKE THE RIGHT TO OWN AND USE A FIREARM IF NEED BE AS SERIOUSLY AS I TAKE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

FREDERICK DOUGLASS, WHO WAS ALSO A REPUBLICAN... - RIGHT.

- ...WAS FAMOUS FOR SAYING THAT THE RIGHTS OF BLACK PEOPLE REST IN THREE PLACES, THE BALLOT BOX, THE JURY BOX, AND THE CARTRIDGE BOX.

IDA B WELLS SAID THAT A WINCHESTER RIFLE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY AR-15 TODAY, DESERVED A PLACE OF HIGH HONOR IN EVERY BLACK HOUSEHOLD.

MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER LET ME KNOW THAT GUNS WERE IMPORTANT.

WHERE ARE YOU AT IN TERMS OF GUN OWNERSHIP, GUN STANCE, ARE YOU IN LINE OR IN TOW WITH CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY, WHICH MAY BE COMING TO GEORGIA?

- YEAH.

- WELL TELL ME ABOUT IT.

- I LET MY CONCEALED CARRY LAPSE DURING COVID.

AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN.

I, YOU KNOW, I WAS NEVER A GUN PERSON GROWING UP.

I DON'T LIKE THEM.

I'M SCARED OF THEM.

I DON'T LIKE THEM IN THE HOUSE.

IN 2016, I DIDN'T BACK TRUMP, AND WE HAD THREE PEOPLE SHOW UP AT OUR HOUSE TO THREATEN US.

AND BECAME VERY MUCH AND I NEVER, DIDN'T SUPPORT GUN RIGHTS.

I'VE BEEN A HUGE ADVOCATE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT ALL MY LIFE.

- YEAH - AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, I LIKED THE IDEA OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO OWN GUNS.

I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THEM MYSELF.

- YEAH - NOW I HAVE A LOT OF THEM, MY WIFE HAS MORE THAN ME.

SHE'S WAY MORE PRO SECOND AMENDMENT THAN I AM.

SHE WANTS A GUN IN EVERY HOUSE, IN EVERY DRAWER, IN EVERY ROOM.

- YEAH.

- BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

AND THERE'S SO MUCH, SO MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO TALK AGAINST GUNS CLEARLY HAVE NEVER TRIED TO BUY A GUN.

THE STATEMENT I WANNA HAVE IT AS EASY TO VOTE AS IT IS TO GET A GUN.

WELL, EVERY TIME I'VE BOUGHT A GUN, I'VE HAD TO SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR THE ATF TO GIVE ME PERMISSION TO GET, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

(MIKE LAUGHS) PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A GUN AND LEARN HOW TO USE THAT GUN.

THE BIGGEST TRAGEDIES IN THIS COUNTRY, ACTUALLY, AREN'T THE MASS SHOOTINGS, IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A GUN AND AREN'T RESPONSIBLE WITH IT AND I'VE NEVER BEEN TAUGHT.

- YEAH.

- DON'T LEAVE A LINE TO THAT AROUND WHERE THERE'S A TODDLER.

- ABSOLUTELY.

WE BOTH BELIEVE IN GOD.

WE PROBABLY EXPRESS OUR FAITH DIFFERENTLY AND WHEN IT COMES TO JESUS, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE MORE IN COMMON.

I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT A PRACTITIONER OF ANY ABRAHAM RELIGION, THE CHARACTER OF JESUS AS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, IS ONE OF THE GREATEST LOVING REVOLUTIONARIES I'VE EVER SEEN IN TERMS OF THE RADICAL AND REVOLUTIONARY LOVE THAT HE HAD FOR ALL OF HUMANITY WHEN HE WAS FROM A CHOSEN PEOPLE.

THEREFORE CHOSEN HIMSELF.

WOULD YOU AGREE?

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE CHARACTER OR THE PERSON OR THE DIVINE BEING JESUS?

- LOOK, I COULDN'T LIVE THE LIFE I LIVE WITHOUT HIM.

AS MUCH AS HE IS THE MAN, HE IS THE GOD.

THE WORD, THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, WHO SPOKE IT ALL INTO BEING.

AND I BEING SO INTO POLITICS FOR SO LONG.

WHEN I STARTED IN RADIO, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT CULTURAL ISSUES AS MUCH.

STARTED HAVING SMALL CHURCHES, SAY, "HEY, WOULD YOU COME, THE PREACHER'S GONNA BE OUT.

YOU WANNA FILL IN ON A SUNDAY?"

I WAS LIKE, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO SEMINARY.

SO I WENT TO SEMINARY, AND FELL IN LOVE ALL OVER AGAIN WITH HIM, AT A DEEPER LEVEL AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE.

AND I, IT JUST, IRONICALLY FINDING OUT WITHIN DENOMINATIONS, REFORMED FAITH, ALL THOSE CHURCHES STARTED CALLING BACK.

THEY'RE LIKE, OH, YOU WENT THERE.

MAY I THINK THE PREACHER HE'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE FINE ON SUNDAY.

I LOVE TO PREACH.

AND IT'S MORE INTIMIDATING AND CHALLENGING THAN ME DOING THREE HOURS OF TALK RADIO.

BUT I JUST, I COULDN'T LIVE MY LIFE.

MY WIFE HAS A CANCER FOR WHICH THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CURE.

ONE DAY IT'LL GET HER AND PEOPLE, ATHEISTS ASK ME ALL THE TIME, 'HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD THAT DID THIS?"

I'M LIKE, "MY GOD LOVED ME SO MUCH.

HE CAME TO EARTH LIVED A PERFECT LIFE, WAS STILL MURDERED BY PEOPLE.

AND CONQUERED DEATH.

HE DIDN'T GIVE ME A WAY THROUGH IT, BUT HE DECIDED TO LIVE IT TOO.

AND THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF PEACE.

- I ADMIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

MY GRANDPARENTS AND THE CULTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD I WAS RAISED IN.

WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD, WAS SAME NEIGHBORHOOD HERMAN KANE WAS, FROM THE WEST SIDE CASTLE HEIGHTS.

IT WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MADE SURE BLACK PEOPLE SAW THEMSELVES AS INCLUSIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.

SO IF WE LEARNED ABOUT THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WE HAD TO LEARN ABOUT, THE FIRST MAN THAT DIED IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.

CRISPUS ATTUCKS, IF, AND SO FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW, WHO ARE ARGUING OVER CRITICAL RACE THEORY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IF WE DID A BETTER JOB, IN MY OPINION, AT TELLING THE WHOLE STORY OF WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN HERE TOGETHER, BALDWIN TALKED ABOUT BLACK AND WHITE AMERICANS.

SO WHITE AMERICANS, AREN'T GONNA FLEE BACK TO EUROPE.

BLACK AMERICANS ARE NOT GONNA FLEE BACK TO THE PLACES THAT WE'RE FROM, WHETHER IT BE AFRICA OR OTHER PLACES, WHETHER WE'RE INDIGENOUS TO HERE OR NOT.

WHAT WE ARE, IS HERE IN AMERICANS.

AND I HAVE FOUND PEOPLE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE THAT I ABSOLUTELY ADMIRED.

WALTER WILLIAMS, THE LATE WALTER WILLIAMS, IS ONE OF THOSE PERSONS I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE INTERVIEWED HIM.

THOMAS SOWELL IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO I'D LIKE TO HAVE HERE.

SHELLY WYNTER IS A FRIEND, A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE, AND ON WSB WITH YOU GUYS, BUT BLACK CONSERVATISM OFTEN GET SHUT OUT, GETS CUT OFF.

IT'S NOT TALKED ABOUT.

AND UNLIKE MY GRANDPARENTS HOUSEHOLD, WE DON'T EXPOSE PEOPLE TO EVERYTHING.

MY GRANDPARENTS ALLOWED US TO READ, LISTEN, LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

MY GRANDFATHER PROBABLY WAS MORE LIBERTARIAN AND HIS VALUES, MY GRANDMOTHER WAS, FIERCELY ON THE LEFT, BEEN A MEMBER OF NAACP, SELC.

WHAT BLACK CONSERVATIVES OUT THERE ARE YOU LISTENING TO?

ARE YOU TAKING POINT FROM?

OR YOU HEARING MAYBE THE MESSAGE BE DIFFERENT OR A LITTLE, THAN THE MAJORITY?

- LOOK, YOU'VE NAMED TWO OF MY FAVORITES, WALTER WILLIAMS AND THOMAS SOWELL, I LOVE... - TALK ABOUT 'EM.

- BEN CARSON, THE SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, - I'M A FAN.

- A TREMENDOUS STORY.

THAT'S I APPRECIATE, HERMAN CAIN FOR THAT MATTER.

JUST HAD A TREMENDOUS STORY.

MIA LOVE, WHO'S BEEN IN WASHINGTON, UP AND COMING, A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, IS SOMEONE WHO YOU READ THEIR STORY PROFOUNDLY RELATABLE.

THE PROBLEM IS IN THIS COUNTRY.

AND I'M, AS A CONSERVATIVE RADIO HOST, I TOTALLY BUY INTO THE IDEA OF MEDIA BIAS, BUT BOTH PARTIES ARE DIVERSIFYING.

- YEAH.

- AND WHERE PEOPLE'S BIASES LIE, THEY TEND TO THINK OUR PARTIES MORE OR NOT.

BUT THEY ARE, AND IT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE NEED MORE PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE AMERICAN, ALL POLITICAL PARTIES.

WE NEED THE POLITICAL PARTIES TO BE REPRESENTED OF THE PEOPLE.

WE NEED MORE HISPANIC REPUBLICANS, BLACK REPUBLICANS.

AND ACROSS THE BOARD REGARDLESS.

- WELL, YOU GUYS HAD A LOT OF BLACK REPUBLICANS?

- YEAH LONG TIME.

- JIM CROW CAME IN.

- YEAH.

WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

- SO YOU GOTTA GIVE BACK TO THE FREDERICK DOUGLASS REPUBLIC.

- YOU DO, FREDERICK DOUGLASS IS SOMEBODY EVERY, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE, IN AMERICA.

YOU SHOULD READ FREDERICK DOUGLASS.

- I THINK A SHAMEFUL PART OF ARGUING OVER THINGS LIKE CRT.

WHAT WE'RE NOT ARGUING IS THAT IF WE TEACH FACTUAL TRUTH AND ARE ALL INCLUSIVE, THE CHILDREN THAT LOOK DIFFERENTLY WILL UNDERSTAND THAT OUR HEROES CAN BE THE SAME HEROES, WITHOUT HAVING TO BE CATEGORIZED IN A BOX.

SO FREDERICK DOUGLASS, THERE SHOULD BE FREDERICK DOUGLASS HIGH SCHOOL IN EVERY STATE.

- SHOULD.

- HEAR ME, AND, AND I WANT THE ONE IN ATLANTA TO REMAIN IN HIGH SCHOOL.

SO IF I CALL YOU ONE DAY, LIKE WE'RE FIGHTING TO KEEP YOUR SCHOOL OPEN.

I'M GONNA NEED YOU TO SHOW.

- I'LL HELP YOU.

- LAST ONE, IN MATTERS OF GOIN' TO THE BLUE FLAME.

IF YOU AND YOUR WIFE WOULD EVER LIKE TO GO, I'D LOVE TO BRING YOU BECAUSE THEY SAY CONSERVATIVES ARE BIGGER TIPPERS.

(ERIC LAUGHS) WAITRESSES AND WAITERS AND THE GIRLS OVER AT THE FLAME, I'LL SAY, CONSERVATIVES TIP BETTER.

SO IF WE'RE OUT HERE ALL TRYING TO SAVE THE WORLD ON THE LEFT, AND WE'RE LEAVING $2 TIPS WHERE THERE SHOULD BE A 20% TIP, WE'RE NOT DOING, DOING OUR JOB.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON CONSERVATIVES AS BETTER TIPPERS?

- THAT MY, WHEN I WAS A KID, MY DAD WOULD ALWAYS TIP IN CASH.

AND I WAS THE DESIGNATED ONE OF THE THREE KIDS AS THE YOUNGEST TO GO BACK AND PULL SOME OUT OF THE TIP BECAUSE HE ALWAYS TIPPED TOO MUCH MY MOM SAID.

I LEARNED TO TIP FROM HIM.

I DON'T, I TIP WELL, YES, I GOTTA GIVE JUST A SHOUT OUT TO MY WIFE, WAFFLE HOUSE, THE BELOVED AND INSTITUTION, WANNA OPEN BY OUR HOUSE.

AND DURING THE PANDEMIC, I WAS, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE MONEY WAS GOING OUTTA MY ACCOUNT.

I COULD NOT FIGURE IT OUT.

MY WIFE WAS GOING OVER AND LEAVING A HUNDRED DOLLARS BILLS FOR THE WAFFLE HOUSE EMPLOYEES.

- YES, THAT'S LOVE.

- YEAH, I DON'T, WELL TYPICALLY IF I GET A $20 BILL, MY RULE OF THUMB IS AT LEAST $10 TIP AND I REALIZE IT'S 50%.

BUT IF THEY'RE ARE WORKING SLINGING FOOD, I'M INCOMPETENT.

I COULD NEVER WAIT A TABLE.

THEY DESERVE THE MONEY.

- I TIP FOR 10.

LET ME TELL YOU, MIKE, THE MANAGER, THE WAFFLE HOUSE DAY SHIFT MANAGER,.

GOD BLESS HIS SOLELY, HE TURNED ME AWAY YESTERDAY.

I WENT BACK IN AT NIGHT AND I TOLD ON HIM.

I TOLD EVERYBODY, TOLD HIM, "IT'S NICY," TOLD YOU, TOLD ALL OF 'EM WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?

MIKE IS JUST CRAZY MIKE.

(ERIC LAUGHS) HE DOESN'T KNOW YOU TIPPING 10'S AND 20'S AND BETTER ONLY I AM ALSO, MY MOTHER DID WAITRESSING FOR A WHILE WHEN I WAS YOUNG.

SO I ALSO BELIEVE IN TIPPING WELL.

- ONE OF THE PRAYERS I PRAY REGULARLY IS GOD BE GENEROUS TO ME SO I CAN BE GENEROUS TO OTHER PEOPLE.

- ABSOLUTELY, I HOPE THIS IS YOUR FIRST OF MANY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ENGAGING, NOT ONLY MY AUDIENCE, BUT YOUR AUDIENCE LOVINGLY AND RESPECTFUL.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AT WSB.

APPRECIATE THE PLAIN TALK YOU GIVE TO PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY AGREE OR DISAGREE, WHAT IT'S NOT, IS DISRESPECTFUL.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING ON THIS SHOW.

I'M GONNA APPRECIATE YOU HAVING MY BACK AND I'LL SEE YOU AROUND THE ELECTIONS.

WE'LL SEE YOU - THANK YOU SO MUCH GUBERNATORIAL RACES AND THE OTHERS.

- THANK YOU.

- ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, ERIC.

- LOVE AND RESPECT WITH KILLER MIKE IS MADE POSSIBLE BY, (UPBEAT MUSIC) (UPBEAT MUSIC)