Love & Respect with Killer Mike
Dominique Wilkins & Dr. Kimberly Manning
Season 1 Episode 3 | 26m 53sVideo has Closed Captions
Dominique Wilkins and Dr. Kimberly Manning sit down with Killer Mike.
Killer Mike is joined by NBA Hall-of-Famer and Atlanta Hawks legend Dominique Wilkins plus a look at the state of Covid vaccines with Emory’s Dr. Kimberly Manning.
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Love & Respect with Killer Mike
Dominique Wilkins & Dr. Kimberly Manning
Season 1 Episode 3 | 26m 53sVideo has Closed Captions
Killer Mike is joined by NBA Hall-of-Famer and Atlanta Hawks legend Dominique Wilkins plus a look at the state of Covid vaccines with Emory’s Dr. Kimberly Manning.
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I'm Michael Render.
Tonight, a conversation with NBA legend, Dominique Wilkins.
During his brilliant career with the Atlanta Hawks, Wilkins was one of the most electric players of a generation.
The basketball legend tonight on his life, career, and the state of the NBA as we kick off a new season.
Also tonight from the Emory School of Medicine, Dr. Kimberly Manning, with an update on vaccines and what we can all do to stay healthy and safe.
Thanks for joining us.
Dominique Wilkins and Dr. Kimberly Manning, coming up right now.
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♪♪ ♪♪ - Welcome to Love and Respect, man.
I am here with someone I truly love and respect.
Meet Dominique Wilkins.
One of the greatest players in the game and one of the greatest Atlanta Hawks ever.
Thank you for coming.
- Aw, thank you, man.
You know, always been a fan of yours as well, man.
You know, now I feel like we go back a long way.
- Yeah, I get that.
I get to text and talk to my hero whenever I want to.
- That's right, yeah.
And it's nice to kind of reach out to people you admire, you know, become like a family.
So thank you, man.
I appreciate you.
- You called me out a few times, in terms of helping out, around stuff around Atlanta, we're going to talk about that a little later to help the community and I appreciate that.
But I want to take it back to say like '85, '86, '87, '88, fifth grade through like sixth, seventh grade with me.
I'm from the west side of Atlanta.
Enclave called Collier Heights in Adamsville.
One of the most famous state coaches here, coached at Douglas High School, his name was Donald Dollar.
His son, Cameron Dollar, who won the 1995 NCAA championships went NCAA, with the NCA with UCLA Bruins.
He was one of my friends and rivals in elementary school.
He took basketball far too seriously.
And I took rap far too serious.
(Dominique chuckles) He let me know you ain't gonna be no basketball player.
And I let him know you ain't gonna be a rapper.
- Right.
- But we both, as much as we argued, agreed on one thing.
The greatest player in our city was Dominique Wilkins.
And I remember celebrating when you won a slam dunk contest.
I remember crying when I felt like you got robbed of one.
And I remember when a list came out and you weren't on top 50.
Everybody in my class that were, we were adults by then, What does it feel like, to been snubbed off a list that even players such as Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, who was a fierce rival of yours, Danny Ainge, who actually hated you, said you should have been in the top 25, not even just the top 50.
What did that feel like?
And how have you persevered through that snubbing?
- Well, this goes to show that politics exist in every form of life.
And at the time that the top 50 list came out, I was the seventh all time leading scorer in NBA history.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- And I'm like, look, you know, I'm not one who talks about himself, but you kidding me?
I mean, how could that be?
And I'm looking at the list and I'm like, look, I don't discredit anybody, but you can't tell me, you got guys like myself and Bob McAdoo, who's a two-time MVP.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- Don't make the list, it was just mind blowing to me.
- In matters of marketing, it seems as though players that are even outside of basketball.
So I look at you, I look at Dale Murphy.
I look at Deion Sanders.
Had Deion not left and went to San Francisco and Dallas, we may not be talking about him to the promise we are.
Had Dale Murphy been in another market or stayed in Atlanta as you stayed, he may have been in the hall of fame already.
You chose to stay and this city kind of burns itself down.
It's funny, our Phoenix is our logo, burns itself down and recreates itself.
You've kind of been there through every burn down and inclination and recreation, but I felt like you didn't truly get appreciated 'til later.
I remember being asked about a racism scandal with the Hawks and I was like, forget the scandal you're talking about, why don't we have a Dominique statue?
Back within months we had a Dominique statue.
- Well you know, that was a long process because some of the powers that be at that time didn't want the statue.
And they said there never should be a statue of Dominique Wilkins, but this is the reason why I love Atlanta.
Is that the powers to be of Atlanta said, this statue is going up with or without you.
- [Mike] Absolutely.
- And then, so, you know, you either get on board or you're going to look very stupid if you don't.
- [Mike] Absolutely.
- And so the statue got built because of the city.
- [Mike] Absolutely - Got behind it.
And actually the guy who sculpted the statue named Brian Hanlon.
He said, I don't know how we gonna do this, but we gon' get it done.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- Because this monument should be in the city of Atlanta.
- Absolutely.
- In front of the arena.
So we're going to get it done.
But along with the people here in Atlanta, people like our ownership, new ownership that came over all embraced it.
- [Mike] Absolutely.
- And so I gotta give a lot of credit to our current ownership and Tony Russell, who's got wonderful, wonderful, wonderful people.
And they get it, they understand.
They understand the culture and the history.
- [Mike] Yeah.
The two things in Atlanta that were just bad for Atlanta that were white, were crack cocaine and Larry Bird.
They were just not good for my city.
But he was one of your biggest rivals.
- Man.
- [Mike] He thought that you should've been on that list that you should, but what was it like playing against Bird?
And what was that game seven like?
When it was the two point loss because we were all on the edge of our seats.
- 13 years of playing against Larry, you understand, we never shook hands.
We never talk.
We never spoke to each other.
It was a unwritten kind of rule.
You know great players didn't want you to get that close to them.
And so he didn't like me, I didn't like him at that time.
But when I think about it, years later, it was just about the respect that we had for one another.
We just didn't want to get that close.
Larry Bird is one of the most fierce competitors I've ever played against.
I remember game seven and we should've won in game six.
So we go to Boston, but it had a headline that Larry Bird predicted that they were gonna win you know, and go onto the Eastern Conference Finals.
And so I remember coming out of locker room and I stopped and I said, we gon' win this bleep bleep game.
I said, if you ain't ready to fight, you ain't ready to go to war, don't come out.
I said well whoever guarding me tonight gonna have a long night.
Unfortunately, Larry Bird was telling his teammates the same on the other end.
So it's set up for one of the most, it's considered the greatest shootout in seventh game history, with two guys who didn't want to lose, try to will their team to win.
And that's when I really knew how tough Larry Bird really was, man.
'Cause going into that fourth quarter, he only had 12 points.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- He ended with 34 for the night.
(Mike whistles) - You know, he was a bad man, bad man.
- [Mike] Like the old men in the barbershop say, "That white boy ain't no sucker."
- Oh, lemme tell you, he was no joke.
And I hear people, I had a guy asked me, said, "You think Larry Bird could play in today's game?"
I was like, what is that a trick question?
(both laugh) He said, you think he could score more than 15 points?
I said, which quarter?
I'm like, are you crazy?
And it's amazing how they really think that way and believe it, you just don't realize how great he was.
And for someone to say that to me, a player.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- It just blew me away.
And just let me know one thing, lack of education about the game.
- [Mike] So you've been philanthropic a long time.
You've helped with everything for pandemic to health resources for people.
What brings you to the work of helping?
Because you were a superstar.
Superstars usually have to be so self-consumed because they have to focus on being the tip of the spear - Right.
- That they aren't helpers.
You've been a helper in Atlanta since you were on the team here.
And post team, and now working within the organization, you still have been helpful.
- Well, it's very simple for me.
Growing up, I'm with eight brothers and sisters, my mom raised eight of us by herself, and I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland.
And I remember when I was 12, I had this playground legend.
And for some reason he saw something in me and he said, I want you to come to Boys Club every day.
I'm gonna teach you the game and I'm gonna teach you the right way, and you're going to owe me.
And at 12, I didn't know what that meant.
- Yeah.
He said the only thing I want from you is to give to someone else what I'm about to give to you, and that's the way I've lived my life all these years.
Cause it gave me the courage to leave home when I was 16 and I never looked back, I've caught a Greyhound bus to North Carolina and got discovered on the playground the next morning.
- [Mike] Wow!
- [Dominique] And so it was because of his tutelage that I was able to have that confidence to leave home.
- [Mike] Wow.
That's..And what was his name?
- [Dominique] His name was Harold, we used to call them big Harold.
- [Mike] Big Harold, - [Dominique] Yeah, big Harold - [Mike] a big shout out.
- [Dominique] And I actually saw him like 25, 30 years later cause I, we went back and redid the old playground.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- [Dominique] And I see this guy in the back and I'm looking, I'm like, Harold, it was amazing that I remembered him.
And both of us was in the middle of the court and we were just bawling, crying, you know, because he's the reason why I'm here.
- [Mike] That's absolutely amazing.
So shouts out to Big Harold.
- [Dominique] Yeah.
- [Mike] There is a.
Uh.
You have been, and so this is from the hip-hop side.
Man, you been fresh my whole life.
(Dominique laughs) Let me tell you something man, You been, I, you even made me go out of YPO Brooks.
(Mike laughs) I was never in the Brook shoes.
You had me on the Brooks, but you have been one of the most well tailored, well-dressed.
I remember the time in Atlanta where you and Deion Sanders and MC Hammer and Tusha everybody was just here at one time and fresh and styling.
But you got refused to go in a restaurant that I will never name, for sayin' - [Dominique] You want me to name it?
(laughs) - [Mike] No, we ain't gonna name those chumps.
Yeah , we ain't hear no chumps.
No.
This like Larry Bird (both talking) - [Dominique] Yeah , yeah , yeah , that's true.
Yeah , yeah.
- [Mike] But you as a, as a 60 year old man at this point, someone essentially has apartheid what's happening in Atlanta, well, when you were born in this country, you've endured in, in, in, in through racism.
You come out, you become a superstar, you've put a city on a map that a city you put on a map, a chump restaurant wanna tell you, you can't come here.
What was that like?
What happened post that?
And what do you advise us to do as younger blacks - [Dominique] Right.
- [Mike] in terms of asserting ourselves in that?
- [Dominique] Right.
You know what?
I've never experienced anything quite like that.
And you know, I-I'm one of those guys, you know, if you know me, I don't get involved in a whole lot of different stuff.
You don't hear me or see my name involved with things that's that's, you know, questionable, anything like that.
So for me to come out and comment on something that happened, you know, it had to be really bad.
And you know, the, the, the sad part about it, that I was pretty well dressed when I went in there along with a friend of mine.
And so we went in, they looked me up and down and I said, Wow, that's a little strange.
And I remember them saying, you know, we can't seat you, but we don't have any reservations right now, is nobody all in the restaurant.
Nobody.
This is two o'clock and lunch is almost over.
And I remember two white guys walked up and they had shorts on t-shirts and sneakers.
And they said, Sirs, we'll seat you in a minute.
And I'm looking, I'm like, Are you joking?
And he said, we try to keep our level of ele, uh, elegance in our dining room.
And I said, what did you say?
And I was so hot.
I just walked away.
Right.
And then friend went back in and he said, what is your criteria?
What's casual, What's not.
And they said, we just can't seat 'em.
And she said, I don't think you understand what you just did.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- [Dominique] And that's how it all happened, but what I want people to understand is that we got to continue to hold people accountable for doing stupid things.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- [Dominique] You know, because there's no room for that type of, you know, attitude anywhere, particularly in our city, you know, a city that I've been to every restaurant and got treated like family.
- [Mike] Absolutely.
- [Dominique] And then you have these strangers coming into town.
- [Mike] Strange.
And I'm not the only one that had done that.
I'm just the only one who really talked about it.
And they wanted to give me an apology, but they want to give it to me privately.
I said, no way.
- [Mike] No, sir.
- [Dominique] I said, you know, like I said, I don't need you to get me an apology.
I don't need apology for me.
I need you to apologize to people who look like me.
- [Mike] Absolutely.
- [Dominique] And we got to stop spending our dollars at an establishment like that because you have an obligation to take care of your patrons, especially when they paying their money.
- [Mike] Harlem Globetrotters, you've advocated should be a team in the NBA.
I would love to see that.
And I wanted to know beyond the Globetrotters, do you think in matters of supporting HBCU's, which are wearing Tuskegee today, that oftentimes we talk about football and focus it in what Grambling and stuff did, but do you think that basketball could be a haven to attract more audience to HBCU's?
Because basketball is exciting, no matter what age, no matter high school, junior high, basketball games are usually packed.
Do you think HBCU's should pivot into basketball in much the same way and bring attention.
In much the same way Dionne, - [Dominique] When you talked about the Harlem Globetrotters.
I think, you know, teams like that who've been around for forever deserve an opportunity, a shot, and to see what they bring, you know, to the audience.
I mean, there's a lot of skilled players that come through that Harlem Globetrotters system.
So I think they deserve a shot, you know, and to try to see if they can be, you know, a world brand, you know, as far as the NBA, as well as, you know, entertainment outside of that.
So yeah, I would love to see them get, get a shot.
Umm.
As far as the HBCU, I think it should be a lot more attention on HBCU's because there's a lot of talent on the court and off the court that come out of those colleges.
And a matter of fact, I have a, I have a doctorate degree at Morris Brown.
So, you know, like, I I think it needs to be a lot of attention.
And you know, in a lot of, lot more, I would say economic growth should be funneled towards these schools.
When you can't get to a parent, how do you get to that parent?
You get through to them through their children.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- [Dominique] So you educate those children now and they can come home and tell their parents what they've learned.
- [Mike] Absolutely.
- [Dominique] And so that's where we got to start because the youth now, so a , rough stuff going on here right now.
So we got to step back because you know, it's a, it's an obstacle in the road and I tell people, obstacles are not made to stop you, just made you to make, you want to step back, look at your life and find a way to get over and around it.
It's the same thing when it comes to our youth.
- [Mike] Find a way of making your life.
What do you think about players' rights now?
And what advice do you give younger players coming up?
- [Dominique] I think it's great that players have rights now, cause they have a lot of rights, where their future should go more so than we had, you know?
And that's why you see guys traveling different from different teams, because now you have a little more control - [Mike] Yeah.
- [Dominique] of where you want to be, where you want to go and kind of dictate where you see your life.
Back when we playing, we didn't have the ability to do so.
So I applaud these guys what they've been able to create and change.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- [Dominique] But on the other side of it, when you were paid to provide a service, we have an obligation to get out and perform.
I don't care if you like that organization or not, or your teammates.
Cause I had teammates and we didn't like each other, but we respected each other.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- [Dominique] There's a difference.
So I think you have a moral obligation to play, no matter what.
And you see the stuff that's going on now with, you know, Ben Simmons and Kyrie Irving.
- [Mike] Yeah.
- [Dominique] I mean, okay, look, I'm not going to question, you know, your thoughts and, and, and things of that nature.
But we're paid to provide a service, you know, and if you look at the NBA, probably over 95% of the NBA have been vaccinated.
Why aren't you vaccinated?
Why aren't you going to practice Ben Simmons?
And why when you go to practice, you in a world by yourself while your team is over here, practicing, you can't do that.
You can't do that, that's not what basketball is about.
And so I, I'm very proud of these guys, what they've been able to change and accomplish to control their own destinies, but it's still an old school mentality that says you still got to perform.
- [Mike] Yeah.
I want to thank you for coming to talk, Love and Respect with me.
I want to thank you for what you did on the court as a child that inspired people like me and real basketball players, like Kevin Dollar.
- [Dominique] Oh.
Thank you.
- [Mike] But I want to thank you more for what you did in my community.
Outside of a basketball court before rappers were generally in the neighborhood, shaking hands with people, you were, You were, I saw you and mention Old National.
You were, you were kind enough just to speak to kids.
You are, you've always been available to the city.
You've always given more of yourself than was asked and sometimes deserved.
I like to appreciate you for that and appreciate you for gracing my show... - [Dominique] Pleasure is mine, man, you know, I, I, you know, I kind of grew up as an adult in those neighborhoods.
I used to live off Old National.
- [Mike] Yeah.
We know.
- [Dominique] I used to live off Cascade, so I was in the community.
So those people around, the people around the city, period are very special to me.
So I appreciate you.
- [Mike] Love and respect you.
- [Dominique] Love and respect.
- [Mike] Absolutely.
♪♪ - [Mike] Dr. Kimberly Manning is a professor of medicine and associate chair of diversity, equity, and inclusion at Emory University, Department of Medicine.
Dr. Manning, nice to have you here.
- [Dr. Kimberly Manning] Nice to be here.
- [Mike] Thank you for coming on Love and Respect.
- [Dr. Manning] Thank you for having me.
- [Mike] We have a few things that cross section that we kind of have in common.
We're both very familiar with Tuskegee.
- [Dr. Manning] Very much so.
- [Mike] The place and the university - [Dr. Manning] That's right.
- [Mike] My family is from Tuskegee.
My great-grandparents were sharecroppers that worked their way to owning their own land.
We still have 25 acres of farm land down there.
My grandmother's biggest dream was for me to go to Tuskegee University.
Booker T. Washington was an icon in the house.
I ended up going to Morehouse instead, but I wore the right hoodie, .- [Dr. Manning] I appreciate that.
I appreciate that.
- [Mike] Without being asked you wore the right sweater.
- [Dr. Manning] I did.
I did.
Well, it's always in my heart, you know, but today, as I decided to put it on externally so I'm feeling it.
And my family also has a connection to Tuskegee.
I'm one of four, all four of us went to Tuskegee.
My parents met at Tuskegee, my grandparents, my maternal grandparents met at Tuskegee and my maternal great-grandmother went to Tuskegee.
- [Mike] Wow.
- [Dr. Manning] Yeah.
So we have a long history there.
My mom grew up born and raised in Tuskegee, Alabama.
And um yes a big part of us.
- [Mike] You being in medicine means a lot because we were so underserved and underrepresented.
I've heard stories from former teachers of when we didn't have doctors or dentists to go to, you have to go to these ad hoc places almost, to go.
My first doctor, my pediatrician was Dr. Otis Smith, who was from Atlanta and went to Morehouse, and became the first pediatrician.
So I understand the importance of black doctors.
So Dr. Manning, thank you just for going into medicine.
I got to say.
- I wanna do an experiment - Okay.
- 'cause I know we don't have as much time - Okay.
- as I've had with some other guests.
- Alright.
- You do something interesting in that you work with a hospital that I was born at, Grady hospital.
- Aw, you're a Grady baby.
- I am a Grady baby.
- Aw.
- Yeah, man.
I got all the scratches and- - Royalty.
- Yeah.
- Grady babies are royalty.
- 16 Year old girl - Okay.
- decided she wanted to have a baby.
- Okay, okay.
- And my mother brought me in the world in Grady and I thank them because she went into some type of trauma having me.
- Mm.
Got four men on the table, they pulled me out with forceps.
Sunglasses still don't fit my head right.
(Dr. Manning laughing) - But you sit at a desk there - Yep.
- and engage people with medical questions.
Cute.
- Yep, yep.
Now you look like my neighbor.
- Ah.
- You look like, you look like the slick fly lady I see at the store, so you, you're easily approachable to talk to, so I want to do an experiment of sorts.
- Okay, okay, let's do it.
- Total truth.
This is not, this is not, it's not fiction.
- Okay.
- My great-grandfather's father was a part of the Tuskegee experiment.
- I'm sorry.
- Big part of the reason my family, even though they produced a ton of nurses.
- Mhm.
- Has not been pro-vaccine in our life is because of that.
- Yeah.
I don't remember getting three vaccines in my whole life, and that's with Dr. Otis Smith - Wow.
- being my pediatrician.
- Wow.
- My grandmother just, she had an aversion to it.
We do a religious exemption.
Now, we're at a time, where there's a real crisis in this pandemic - Yeah.
Yep.
- and the people most affected by it often look like me.
- Yep.
- So I'm gonna be that person.
I'm sitting at your desk at Grady now, - Mhm.
- and I need you to convince me that it's the best thing to do.
So I'm going to start off, My name's Michael Render.
- Hello, Michael.
- Hey, my great-grandfather's father was involved in Tuskegee experiment - Mm.
and I don't trust these white folks of the government.
- Mhm.
Why should I get a vaccine?
And why should we get it first?
Why they don't have anything free for us like diabetes medicine or free high blood pressure medicine?
- Yeah.
Why is this free and everything not?
And what do I have to gain from it?
- For sure.
You know, we spend so much time talking about how all the science is real and everything, but the history is real too.
And I'm really sorry for what your family experienced.
- Thank you.
- It makes absolute sense that you feel nervous about being vaccinated.
And it sounds like you've thought a lot about this.
- Mhm.
Listen Michael, I am not looking to convince you to be vaccinated.
I'm looking to convey some information to you that may be helpful as you kind of think about what you want to do and what's best for you and your family.
- Yes.
- Okay?
So Michael, tell me, you already mentioned that your family's lived experience is part of what has you the most nervous.
Is there anything else in particular that you worry about?
- Well, I mean, I'm a big guy, so I know I'm not in the best shape.
- Okay.
- So I want to do it because I want to be here for my wife, I want to be here for my kids.
- Mm.
Mm.
But with that said, if it hasn't properly been vetted out, I kind of feel like a Guinea pig to be honest or- - Yeah.
- Or a crash test dummy.
I feel as though, black bodies are being used - Mhm.
Yeah.
- to see how it'll work and if it works well enough on us, the good batches will go to the north side of town and the experimental batches go to the south side.
- Yeah.
- That could just be my paranoia, but that is honestly - I think paranoia's a unfair word to use for this, because, you know, again, history is real.
- Yeah.
- We've read books like "Medical Apartheid" and seen the things that have happened to our people over the years.
- Yeah.
But I want to share a few things with you.
One of the things I want to share with you is that there were black people that were properly investigated in the studies of the vaccines.
Now what happened in Tuskegee or Macon County, Alabama, where this all happened was that, individuals were denied treatment for syphilis, right?
- Yeah.
They weren't given syphilis.
They were denied treatment for syphilis, which is a little bit different than what's happening right now, which is we're giving people vaccines.
I want to tell you, no joke, since we're being honest here.
- Yeah.
One of the people enrolled in the study is me.
I just left one of my vaccine appointments, where I was one of the people that I enrolled in the study.
And let me tell you, because I wanted to be able to look in the faces of people who look like me and you.
I wanted to sit down, I wanted to go through that consent process that our ancestors were not offered the opportunity to have.
- Yeah.
- And I wanted to ask all the questions, wear all of them strapped on my back saying, what would they have asked?
What would they have wanted to know about this?
So back in July, before we even had emergency use authorization, Michael, I was one of the people that was enrolled.
What I'll tell you is that, if you look at risk and benefit, the risk of something happening to you from the vaccine, it may be something that could happen.
But the risk of something happenin' to you if you get COVID is so much higher.
And not just death, but disability too.
And I think when I'm talking to a black man, black men are like "I could die any day."
- Yeah - What do you mean?
What do you mean die?
- Yeah.
- But you got a family - I do.
and if something interrupts you being able to care for your family, come and go as you please, talk as you wanna talk, walk as you wanna walk, that could have been prevented?
- Yeah.
I'ma feel pretty dumb for that.
- Well not dumb, but just regret.
- Well I would- - Just regret.
- No I would, I would feel - I would feel, me, just as Michael, not as an example, I would feel, I'd feel I'd feel like I made a wrong or selfish decision based on having a wife and four children, that's just for me, that's not racial.
- And I'm not a used car sales person, no shade to used car sales people, but, so I'm not here to try to get you to sign on the line today.
I'm not on commission or anything.
This is about us.
- So I could walk away.
- You could walk away.
- I don't have to get it, you're not goin' judge me.
- No, I'm not, I'm planting a seed.
In the same way when somebody gets COVID, they could spread it to six people.
- Yeah.
If I tell you factual information, you might walk away and say, I met this black woman at Grady hospital that was sitting at a table talking to me.
And she was in the study and her people from Tuskegee.
- Yeah.
- And you know what she told me, she told me this, this, this, and this.
What if you then get six more people to feel confident and they get six more.
So we always talk about all the negatives, but you know, I'm an optimist and I think there is nothing more powerful than black people loving on black people, honestly, and like in the most real way.
And I think people receive that.
That's why I'm sitting at that table.
- I really hope - Yeah.
- that our people are listening to you.
- Yeah.
- I really hope that each person who's had a conversation and have a conversation like I've had to you today.
Really hears you in their mind, and their heart.
And I really hope the best for our people because you are proof that when raised confident, we are competent to do anything.
- Mhm.
I want to appreciate you for coming on "Love & Respect with Killer Mike" and engaging me lovingly and respectfully.
And I hope I've reflected that to you too.
- You have.
- And with that said, I just want to thank my Tuskegee legacy, Ms. Betty, for raising me.
- That's right.
That's in big part for getting me here today.
- That's right.
Thank you so much, Dr. Manning.
- It's been a privilege.
- Absolutely.
It has been my privilege.
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