- TONIGHT ON LOVE & RESPECT, TWO-TIME WNBA CHAMPION AND ATLANTA DREAM CO-OWNER, RENEE MONTGOMERY.

- THERE'S LITTLE GIRLS RIGHT NOW THAT SAY THEY WANT TO GROW UP AND PLAY IN THE NBA.

AND I'M LIKE, BUT WHY?

MY WHOLE LIFE, WE PLAYED LIKE FOR THE HONOR, WE WEREN'T MAKING VERY MUCH MONEY.

WE STILL AREN'T MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, COMPARED TO THE MEN'S SIDE.

SO WE PLAY FOR THE GROWTH OF THE LEAGUE.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE LITTLE GIRLS COMING UP SAYING THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY IN THE LEAGUE, IT'S LIKE, BABY, WE BUILDING THIS FOR YOU.

- ABSOLUTELY.

- LIKE, THIS IS FOR YOU!

- RENEE MONTGOMERY COMING UP RIGHT NOW.

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♪♪ ♪♪ - RENEE MONTGOMERY WELCOME TO LOVE & RESPECT.

- WHAT'S UP?

I'M SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.

(RENEE LAUGHS) I'M SO IMPRESSED BY YOU AS A PLAYER AND TRANSITIONING TO AN OWNER.

YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED SO MUCH IN BASKETBALL, ON AND OFF THE COURT.

WHAT MADE YOU?

AND THIS IS AS A DAD, OF A DAUGHTER THAT JUST MADE JV.

- OKAY!

SO SHOUTS OUT TO MICHAEL MARIE.

- COME ON.

- WHAT MADE YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH BASKETBALL?

- YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, KIND OF WHEN YOU'RE THE YOUNGEST.

SO YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER.

WELL, I'M THE YOUNGEST.

I HAVE TWO OLDER SISTERS AND WHEN THEY WERE PLAYING SPORTS, I WAS PLAYING SPORTS.

SO THEY STARTED PLAYING BASKETBALL.

I STARTED PLAYING BASKETBALL AND I JUST DEVELOPED A LOVE FOR IT.

THEY WENT ON TO DO CHEERLEADING, TRACK, AND MAJORETTE, I HAD TO LET THEM ROCK CAUSE THAT WASN'T, (MIKE LAUGHS) THAT WASN'T MY VIBE, (LAUGHS) BUT I STUCK WITH BASKETBALL AND I KIND OF FELL IN LOVE WITH LIKE, TRYING TO BE BETTER BECAUSE I WASN'T GOOD WHEN I STARTED.

I KNOW, LIKE PEOPLE, (LAUGHS) I KNOW, IT'S LIKE PEOPLE GET SURPRISED.

I WAS STRICTLY DEFENSE.

I CAME IN WHEN THE GOOD PLAYER WAS TEARING US UP AND OUR COACH WOULD BE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO DO YOUR THING, YOU KNOW?

SO I FELL IN LOVE WITH TRYING TO EARN MINUTES AND THEN TRYING TO BE A PART OF THE TEAM.

AND THEN TRYING TO BE LIKE ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS ON THE TEAM.

- WHAT MADE YOU WORK HARD TO BE A CHAMPION THOUGH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE NOT GOOD AT SOMETHING AT FIRST AS A KID, - YEAH.

- USUALLY YOU WANT TO QUIT, BUT YOU DIDN'T QUIT.

- NO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT DROVE ME HONESTLY, LIKE, WHAT KIND OF KEPT MY ENERGY GOING WAS, FIRST OF ALL, I KNEW I WAS IN WEST VIRGINIA.

SO THERE WASN'T ANY PRO ATHLETES COMING OUT OF WEST VIRGINIA.

THERE WASN'T A LOT OF OTHER ATHLETES IN GENERAL, SHOUTS TO RANDY MOSS, PEOPLE KNOW - YEAH, SHOUTS OUT TO RANDY - THAT YOU CAME OUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, SHOUTS TO MY GUY.

- AND JASON, RIGHT?

- JASON WILLIAMS, WHITE CHOCOLATE.

SO WE HAD, THE FACT THAT YOU CAN NAME THE COUPLE THAT CAME FROM WEST VIRGINIA, (LAUGHS) (MIKE LAUGHS) SHOULD TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH; SO, I KNEW THAT I HAD LIKE THE ODDS KIND OF STACKED AGAINST ME AND I FELT LIKE I SAID, I LIKED THAT.

I WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND SO IT STARTED OUT, AS I TOLD YOU, WE, I WAS COMING OFF THE BENCH HEAVY.

AND WHEN I SAY HEAVY, MEANING I WAS HAPPY TO GET IN THE GAME.

IF I GOT IN THE GAME.

AND THEN WE STARTED PLAYING AAU AND TRAVELING AND I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERY DAY, I WAS JUST WORKING ON MY DRIBBLES.

I WAS WORKING ON MY HANDLES, SHOOTING.

I KNOW I'M KNOWN AS A SHOOTER NOW, BUT SHOOTING WASN'T REALLY MY THING IN THE BEGINNING.

SO, I JUST STARTED TO WANT TO WIN.

- YEAH.

- LIKE IT WAS LIKE, OH, I SEE, WHEN WE WIN AS A TEAM, YOU KNOW, WE GET LOVE.

- YEAH.

- SO IT DIDN'T MATTER IF I SCORED A LOT OF POINTS OR WHAT I DID, SO, THAT STARTED MY CHAMPIONSHIP DRIVE.

LIKE MY CHAMPIONSHIP MENTALITY, 'CAUSE IT WAS LIKE, LOOK, IF WE WIN, WE ALL WIN.

SO WHY AREN'T WE JUST TRYING TO GET MORE WINS?

WE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE AT PRACTICE.

AND THEN IT JUST BECAME A HABIT.

AND THEN IT JUST BECAME LIKE AN ADDICTION.

- DID YOU GET MAD WHEN YOU LOST?

- OH, COME ON.

- THAT'S, - LIKE, I LIKE, LOSING WAS THE WORST.

WINNING WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, COOL.

BUT LOSING, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M WATCHING, I WATCH ALL THE GAMES OVER, BY THE WAY.

I'M A OVERSTUDY-ER, BUT, WHEN WE LOSE, YEAH, I DON'T, I DIDN'T HANDLE THAT WELL.

- AND BROADCASTING, IS KIND OF LIKE THAT.

- YUP.

YOU WATCH YOUR SHOWS TO SEE WHAT I DID GOOD.

WHAT I DIDN'T DO SO GOOD.

WHAT CAN I IMPROVE ON.

NEXT SHOW IS A BROADCAST OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST HOST I'VE HAD TO DO, AND YOU KNOW, YOU CRINGE SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SEE YOUR STUFF.

- HATE HEARING MY VOICE ON THE AIR.

(LAUGHS) (MIKE LAUGHS) - WHAT INSPIRED YOU TO LEARN BROADCASTING?

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY RETIRE, THEY'RE OFF TO THE BAHAMAS.

IT'S BEEN A COOL RUN.

BROADCASTERS ARE LIKE, WHAT KEEPS YOU IN THE SPORT?

RANDY DOES AN AMAZING JOB, SPEAKING OF WEST VIRGINIANS, HOWARD COSELL USED TO DO A GREAT JOB.

- MICHELLE MILLER, - MICHELLE, - CANDACE PARKER.

- DOPE BROADCASTERS, (RENEE LAUGHS) WHAT MADE YOU SAY, I'M GOING INTO BROADCASTING.

- YOU KNOW, I WENT TO SCHOOL FOR IT.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW I WAS A COMMUNICATIONS MAJOR AT UCONN.

I KNEW THAT, IN ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS YOU HAVE TO COMMUNICATE.

AND I KNEW THAT COMMUNICATION WAS ONE OF MY, LIKE, WE CALL THEM OUR SUPER POWERS.

LIKE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM TALKING TO PEOPLE.

- YEAH.

- AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING TO PEOPLE.

SO WHEN THEY SAID, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO MAJOR IN, AND I'M LIKE, COMMUNICATIONS, LET ME MAJOR IN SOMETHING THAT I CAN USE FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT I KNEW THAT, WITH SPORTS, THERE WEREN'T VERY MANY OTHER AVENUES.

YOU'RE AN ATHLETE.

YOU GO BE A COACH OR YOU GO BE A BROADCASTER, SO, I WANTED TO STAY AROUND SPORTS AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT GOT ME INTO IT.

BUT AS I STARTED TO GET INTO COMMUNICATIONS MORE, I STARTED TO SEE LIKE, ENTERTAINMENT, AS A WHOLE IS COMMUNICATIONS.

AND SO I WAS LIKE, I WANT TO BE IN ENTERTAINMENT, WHETHER IT WAS BROADCASTING, BEING AN ANALYST.

I KNEW THAT LIKE I WANTED TO BE AROUND ENERGY AND ACTION.

AND YOU SEE A LOT OF TIMES WITH ENTERTAINERS, WHEN WE LINK UP, WHEN ATHLETES LINK UP WITH RAPPERS OR ATHLETES, THEY LINK UP WITH ENTERTAINERS, EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE TOGETHER BECAUSE WE'RE ALL DOING SORT OF THE SAME THING.

- OR THEY GET LOCKED UP FOR WEED IN FRANCE.

- YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?

- LIKE MY MAN, LIL BABY.

FREE LIL BABY.

(MIKE AND RENEE LAUGH) - BUT.

- I HAD THEM PROBLEMS, OKAY?

- (LAUGHS) I WILL SAY THOUGH, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, BROADCASTERS DID NOT LOOK LIKE, US PER SE.

- RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY, COMMENTING ON ATHLETES THAT WERE FROM OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY DID A GOOD ENOUGH JOB, BUT I CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, AN INFLUX OF BLACK AND BROWN FOLKS, - COME ON NOW.

- COMING IN THE BROADCASTING BOOTH, YOU KNOW, INFLUX OF ACTUAL WOMEN, YOU KNOW, CALLING THE GAME, THE WOMEN'S GAMES, HAVE MADE FOR A LOT BETTER, IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE CROSS-SECTIONAL CULTURE IN SPORTS.

IT'S BEEN GREAT TO SEE PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE MY LITTLE GIRL IS- - COME ON NOW.

YOU GOT MICHAEL, I GOT A SON, JUNIOR.

AND SO IMAGINE IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE US YOUNG, THEY CAN, BUT FOR US, WE HAD TO DREAM.

- YEAH.

- IT WAS AN IMA- LIKE I HAD TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEE IN REAL LIFE.

- ABSOLUTELY - I WAS LIKE, I WANT TO BE A WNBA PLAYER FROM WEST VIRGINIA, WELL, THERE WAS NONE BEFORE THAT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

I HAD TO THINK OF THAT DREAM OF THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.

I MEAN, EVEN US SITTING HERE, THIS IS UNCONVENTIONAL.

- YEAH, IT IS.

(LAUGHS) - DUDE, LIKE, RAPPER KILLER MIKE IS INTERVIEWING ME.

THAT'S LIKE, EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IS UNCONVENTIONAL, AND I LOVE IT BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, THAT LIKE, YES, YOU'RE A BROADCASTER NOW.

YOU'RE A HOST.

- YEAH.

(LAUGHS) - YOU'RE DOING YOUR BEST OUT HERE, OKAY?

- OH YOU GOT ME BLUSHING.

(RENEE LAUGHS) BUT YOU OVERCAME A LOT, LIKE IN TERMS OF SIZE.

SO, PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO BE BIG.

YOU ARE NOT.

- YEAH.

- PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO, AS SMALL, TO GET PUSHED AROUND A LOT.

YOU DIDN'T.

YOU WERE TENACIOUS ON COURT, TENACIOUS SHOOTER.

OVERCAME JUST BEING DEFENSIVE ONLY, - YOU WATCHING A COUPLE CLIPS, OR WHATEVER, WHATCHU DOING?

OKAY!

- YOU GOTTA DO YOUR HOMEWORK, - DID YOUR HOMEWORK!

- GOTTA DO YOUR HOMEWORK ALL!

(RENEE LAUGHS) BUT YOU'RE A TRIPLE THREAT.

- YES.

HECK OF AN ATHLETE.

HECK OF A BROADCASTER.

AND NOW OWNER.

HOW DID YOU PARLAY OWNERSHIP, IN A TIME WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE MORE FORMER PLAYERS ARE LOOKING TO BECOME BUSINESS PEOPLE, OWNERS, AND MORE ATTRIBUTES ARE BEING SHOWN THAN JUST, I CAN SHOOT A BALL.

WHAT BROUGHT YOU TO OWNERSHIP IN THE WNBA?

- IT'S CRAZY BECAUSE THAT WASN'T PART OF THE PLAN.

YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER TALKING TO DIANA TAURASI AT NBA ALL-STAR IN CHICAGO, AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE, YO, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO AFTERWARDS, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST, WE JUST SHOOTING THE BREEZE.

AND SHE WAS LIKE, I WANT OWNERSHIP.

AND I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S DOPE FOR YOU.

YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING THAT LIKE, FOR HER, LIKE THAT'S DOPE FOR YOU.

AND THEN AS THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED, I OPTED OUT OF THE WNBA IN 2020, AND WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING BIG.

AND I'M LIKE, IF I'M OPTING OUT OF THE WNBA, I NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF BIG IMPACT.

ALMOST LIKE, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SHOW WHY I OPTED OUT, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW, LOOK, THIS IS WHY I'M OPTING OUT.

AND IT STARTED WITH PROTESTS AND IT WAS HAPPENING AT CENTENNIAL OLYMPIC PARK.

WE THREW A POPUP BLOCK PARTY, YOU KNOW, JUNETEENTH LET'S CELEBRATE.

THERE'S NOT MUCH TO CELEBRATE RIGHT NOW, BUT LET'S GET TO IT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE, WE JUST ANNOUNCED THAT WE'RE MARRIED, - MY WIFE'S DOING GREAT.

- CONGRATULATIONS.

- THANK YOU!

SHE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE DREAM MIGHT BE UP FOR SALE SOON, SO YOU NEED TO TRY AND START THINKING ABOUT THAT.

I'M LIKE, GIRL, WITH WHAT MONEY?

YOU KNOW, I GOTTA START LIKE, (MIKE LAUGHS) WHAT DO YOU KNOW, THAT I DON'T KNOW?

AND SHE JUST SAW ME THERE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD LIKE, I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT TEAMS AROUND YOU BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE US ON CAMERA RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A MONSTER TEAM AROUND YOU.

I GOT A TEAM AROUND ME, THAT'S KILLING IT.

AND SO, I CAN'T TAKE, OWNERSHIP OF BEING AN OWNER OF THE DREAM WITHOUT MENTIONING MY TEAM BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT EVEN AS I STARTED TELLING MY PARENTS AND MY FAMILY AND THEY'RE LIKE, GIRL, YES, DO IT!

AND I'M LIKE, EVERYBODY SEES ME LIKE, THIS IS NOT A BIG DEAL, LIKE, EVERYBODY WAS LIKE CONFIRMED AND FELT STRONG ABOUT LIKE, YES, DO IT, YOU CAN DO IT.

SO THEN I WENT ABOUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.

WE WERE CALLING VC'S, WE WERE TALKING TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT LINKED UP WITH SUZANNE ABAIR AND LARRY G, LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE.

WE BOTH SAW THE SAME VISION OF WHERE WE WANTED TO TAKE THE DREAM AND BOMB, HERE WE ARE.

- SO, FIRST OF ALL, ITS REFRESHING TO SEE THE OWNER WITH DOPE BRAIDS!

(RENEE LAUGHS) OKAY!

- LET ME JUST SAY THAT.

- YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

(BOTH LAUGH) - IN THE WNBA, YOU GUYS HAVE LED THE WAY ON MANY ISSUES.

AND WE GOT, YOU KNOW, OUR GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING SOME GOOD STUFF, TOO.

I GOT TO GIVE PEOPLE LIKE LEBRON, CHRIS PAUL IN PARTICULAR.

CHRIS IS MAN SUCH, I CALL HIM LEADER WHEN I TALK TO HIM.

BUT YOU GUYS, AS A WHOLE, AS A COMMUNITY HAVE LED THE WAY, LIKE 99% OF THE PLAYERS EVEN VACCINATED.

- COME ON, NOT LIKE, IT'S 99!

(RENEE LAUGHS) - 99, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF 99% OF MY FAMILY IS VACCINATED.

(RENEE LAUGHS) FACTS!

- SO I WAS JUST LIKE, MAN, Y'ALL DID A BETTER JOB AT CONVINCING.

(RENEE LAUGHS) - WHAT BRINGS THAT ADVOCACY TO YOU GUYS' LEAGUE AND WHAT, WHAT WAS SO IMPORTANT ABOUT HEALTH ADVOCACY IN TERMS OF VACCINATIONS FOR YOU GUYS?

- YOU KNOW, JUST, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE WNBA IS MADE UP, WE'RE MADE UP OF THE MINORITY.

WE'RE MAJORITY MINORITY.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WE'RE USED TO BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

WE'RE USED TO HAVING TO STAND UP FOR STUFF.

BLACK WOMEN ARE AT THE LOWEST THRESHOLD PRETTY MUCH WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST HOW THE TOTEM POLE IS WORKING.

AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SO USED TO DEALING WITH IT AND YOU GOT TO REMEMBER WOMEN, WE'RE READY TO TURN UP IF SOMEBODY COMES AT SOMEBODY WE LOVE.

SO WOMEN ARE GOING TO NOT ONLY JUST STAND UP FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, BUT IF WE SEE SOMETHING GOING ON WITH YOU, OH NO, BABY, IT'S TIME TO PLOT, PLAN, STRATEGIZE.

- OKAY!

- ORGANIZE AND MOBILIZE.

- AND THAT'S REAL.

- OKAY!

OH, NO BABY, IT'S TIME TO GROW.

AND SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU GET A LARGE GROUP OF 144 WOMEN ALL EDUCATED, ALL WENT TO SCHOOL, ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA JUST CONTINUE TO GROW TOGETHER.

AND I THINK THE BEST THING THAT THE WNBA PLAYERS DID WAS PLANNED.

LIKE TOGETHER.

EVERYTHING WE DID, WE MOVED AS A UNIT.

I WASN'T EVEN IN THE WUBBLE AND THEY'RE CALLING ME LIKE, "HEY, WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO SENATOR WARNOCK.

WE THINK THAT HE'S GOING TO BE A GOOD CANDIDATE, BUT WE'RE VETTING HIM FIRST."

VETTING HIM WITH PEOPLE LIKE STACY ABRAMS, YOU KNOW, VETTING PEOPLE LIKE, SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE DOING THIS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE MAD.

NO, EVERYTHING WAS PLANNED.

PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE YOU WAKE UP, WE'RE MAD, LET'S DO SOMETHING.

- [MICHAEL] YEAH.

- IT WAS PLANNED.

- YEAH.

- EDUCATED WOMEN.

SO I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, THE WNBA IS COMPRISED OF A LOT OF WOMEN THAT KNOW WHAT THEY WANT AND ARE GONNA, NOT GONNA BE SHY ABOUT IT.

- I MUST ACKNOWLEDGE MY YOUNGER SISTER, CANDACE IS AS A GAY WOMAN.

- OKAY.

- AND SHE'S NOT MARRIED YET, BUT YOU WERE QUICK.

LIKE I DO, I INTRODUCE MY WIFE VERY QUICKLY.

- YEAH.

- THIS IS MY WIFE.

- THAT'S MY BABY.

- AND YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR SON, JUNIOR.

SO YOU'RE A TEAM OWNER, YOU'RE A FORMER PLAYER, YOU'RE A BROADCASTER, YOU'RE A BUSINESS WOMAN.

WHAT'S MARRIAGE LIKE AND WHAT'S RAISING A BLACK MAN LIKE IT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE SWELL OF WHAT TODAY'S AMERICA FOR YOU?

- WELL FIRST OF ALL NOBODY, WHY AREN'T Y'ALL RAPPING ABOUT HOW LIT MARRIED LIFE IS.

FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T HEAR NOTHING - I DO, I AM, I AM THE- I STARTED THE WHOLE SHOW YOUR WIFE ON THE INTERNET.

- I FOLLOW YOU, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT, 'CAUSE I FOLLOW YOU AND I LIKE HOW YOU MOVE.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M FOLLOWING YOU ON TWITTER THOUGH CAUSE I TOLD YOU THAT, (MICHAEL LAUGHS) BUT I LIKE HOW YOU MOVE OR YOU EXALT THE WOMAN THAT YOU LOVE.

- [MICHAEL] ABSOLUTELY.

- BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT MARRIED LIFE IS LIT.

WE CAN WATCH TED LASSO TOGETHER.

- [MICHAEL] YEAH, WE CAN TALK STORYLINES, PLOTS, BUT THEN YOU ALREADY KNOW YOU GOT SOMEBODY IN YOUR FOXHOLE AT ALL TIMES.

THAT'S WHAT FOR ME, IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE OUT HERE IN THESE DIFFERENT SPACES AND THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY IS LIKE, THE SPORTS INDUSTRY, IT'S COMPETITIVE, IT'S TOUGH.

- YEAH.

- YOU NEVER KNOW.

BUT TO HAVE A SOLID ROCK BESIDE YOU, THAT'S FOR ME WHAT MANAGES.

IT'S LIKE, I KNOW SOMEBODY THAT LIKE WE GOING TO WAR.

I DON'T CARE WHERE IT'S AT, I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENED, WE'RE GOING TO WAR TOGETHER.

AND SO FOR ME, THAT PART IS LIT.

RAISING A SON IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, A BLACK BOY IS, IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE HE'S SO INNOCENT.

LIKE, HE'LL LOOK AT STUFF.

HE'S STILL ASKING, "WHY DID THEY ATTACK AHMAUD ARBERY?

LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED?"

AND I WAS LIKE, THERE'S NO ANSWER FOR THAT.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED.

AND SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU WANT TO KEEP HIS INNOCENCE, BUT HE ALSO HAS TO BE AWARE.

SO IT'S THAT BALANCING ACT OF, I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT, BUT I STILL WANT YOU TO STILL SEE THINGS THE WAY YOU SEE IT.

- [MICHAEL] YEAH.

- SO IT'S JUST THAT, THAT BALANCING OF LIKE, WE NEED YOU TO BE AWARE BECAUSE IF YOU DO GET IN A SITUATION, IT'S NOT A GAME, 'CAUSE HE HE'S JOKEY PLAYFUL ALL THE TIME.

IF YOU GET IN A SITUATION, IT'S NOT A GAME, YOU NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE YOU LIKE I SEE A LITTLE BABY.

THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT SEE JUST A THREAT.

- A THREAT, YEAH.

- [RENEE] AND SO FOR ME, THAT'S THE HARDEST PART.

IT'S LIKE KEEPING THAT INNOCENCE, BUT ALSO STILL MAKING HIM AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE IN REALITY.

- [MICHAEL] IN TERMS OF HBCU'S IN A WORLD OF PEOPLE THINKING STUFF OUTSIDE OF THEIR COMMUNITY IS BETTER, I ALWAYS LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, ALL OUR LEADERS WENT TO HBCU'S THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE UP ON YOUR GRANDPA'S WALL AND YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S WALL.

- THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OFFICE RIGHT NOW.

SHOUTS TO OUR VP.

- ABSOLUTELY.

- I MEAN, MAYOR KEISHA LANCE BOTTOMS.

- ABSOLUTELY.

- I'M TALKING 'BOUT IT AIN'T EVEN THE PAST HISTORY, I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW CURRENT HISTORY WENT THERE TOO.

- ABSOLUTELY.

- CURRENT.

- AND, AND, AND A LOT OF TIMES I THINK WHAT PEOPLE FORGET IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE MISSING A LOT OF TIMES AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY IS NOT COMPETENCE, IT'S CONFIDENCE.

- HMMM.

- [MICHAEL] AND A LOT OF TIMES SMALLER CLASSES, A PROFESSOR THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU AND UNDERSTANDS YOU, A PROFESSOR THAT MAY BE FROM THE SAME BACKGROUND OR A SIMILAR ONE IS GOING TO HELP YOU.

I HAD A WHITE ART INSTRUCTOR AT, AT A CENTER WE WENT TO ON SATURDAY'S.

I WAS IN THE ART TALENT CENTER AT MY HIGH SCHOOL, SHE WAS A WHITE WOMAN, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW SHE HAD GREW UP POOR.

SO ME AND LARRY NEWTON WERE IN OUR CLASS AND SHE COULD UNDERSTAND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME MONIES TO BUY MATERIALS THE OTHER KIDS.

SHE SAID, "SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

CAUSE I WAS POOR, WE PAINTED WITH COFFEE."

- WOW!

SO SHE LITERALLY WENT AND GOT COFFEE, HOT WATER, AND TAUGHT US TO DO WHEN WE DID OUR WATERCOLORS, WE DID ON THE SHADES OF BROWN, SHE SAID, "NOT HAVING, IS NOT AN EXCUSE.

WE'RE GONNA FIND A WAY OR MAKE A WAY."

- THAT'S DOPE.

- [MICHAEL] AND I CAN REMEMBER BEING IN COLLEGE AND THE SAME THING, PROFESSORS UNDERSTOOD WHERE WE WERE FROM.

SO THEY'D PULL US TO THE SIDE SOMETIMES AND SAY, "HEY, THIS IS THE OBSTACLE YOU'RE FACING.

- YES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE AN EXCUSE TO NOT, NOT CHALLENGE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO OVERCOME THAT OBSTACLE.

AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT."

- [RENEE] LOVE IT.

- SO A BIG PART AT HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IS GIVING THAT ATTENTION AND THAT, THAT CONFIDENCE YOU NEED TO PUSH THROUGH.

SO I WANNA ENCOURAGE- - NEVER UNDER TALENTED, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE, HBCU'S ARE NEVER UNDER TALENTED.

THEY'RE JUST USUALLY UNDERFUNDED.

- YEAH.

- AND SO YOU START TO LOOK AT THE THINGS AND WHAT, WHY DON'T WE HAVE CONFIDENCE?

- [MICHAEL] YEAH.

- YOU KNOW, LIKE, BECAUSE IMAGINE IF TEACHERS WERE POURING INTO US THE SAME WAY YOUR ART TEACHER WAS.

STARTING YOUNG, YOU WOULD HAVE CONFIDENCE IN EVERYTHING YOU DO.

AND SO WE GOT TO INSTILL CONFIDENCE IN EACH OTHER.

LIKE THAT'S WHY WHEN I SEE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, I JUST SHOW LOVE BECAUSE THAT'S, IF WE ALL STARTED DOING THAT, IMAGINE- - [MICHAEL] ABSOLUTELY.

- LIKE, IMAGINE IF I WAS TRYING TO THINK FROM YOUR POSITION, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

LIKE I LOOK AT YOU AND YOU CAN BE LIKE, KILLER MIKE, YOU WERE POOR?

LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

(MICHAEL LAUGHS) - YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, BUT PEOPLE PROBABLY SEE WHERE YOU ARE NOW AND THAT'S GOOD THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT LIKE WHERE YOU START.

- DOES OUR COMMUNITY DO THAT SOMETIMES?

LIKE ONE OF THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAYS FROM THE KEISHA LANCE BOTTOMS INTERVIEW, AND I WAS, I WAS SO GRATEFUL SHE DID OUR FIRST SHOW WITH US.

WAS THAT, HEY, I HAD ALL THESE PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OF HER.

- I THOUGHT SHE GREW UP RICH.

I THOUGHT SHE GREW UP, - SEE.

- A PART OF THE TALENTED TENS AND THE BOULAY.

- SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.

SHE'S A LAWYER, A POLITICIAN.

I DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF HER, SHE UNDERSTOOD.

AFTER THEY HEARD A STORY, MIKE CALVIN CALLED ME AND SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT, I REALLY LIKE HER.

I'M SORRY I EVER DIDN'T."

- AWW.

- YOU KNOW?

AND I WAS JUST LIKE, - THAT'S WHAT'S UP THOUGH.

- YOU A SUCKER.

(RENEE LAUGHS) AND SHE DOPE AND COUNT MY COINS, BYE.

- (SHOUTS) COUNT MY COINS!

RUN IT UP TOO!

- BUT NO, AND THAT'S THE THING EVEN WITH HBCU'S.

AND I THINK I'M GOING TO DO LIKE AN HBCU HOMECOMING TOUR NEXT YEAR, JUST TO KIND OF, PEOPLE NEED TO SEE IT.

- CALL ME UP.

- IT'S A WHOLE- - LET'S DO SOMETHING.

- CALL ME WHEN YOU GO TO TUSKEGEE AND FAM.

- LET'S DO IT.

- IT'S SPECIAL.

- THAT'S ON THE LIST.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO SEE IT.

LIKE IF YOU'VE BEEN ATTACHED TO IT, YOU KNOW WHAT HOMECOMING IS LIKE.

I HAD A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC GROWING UP IN WEST VIRGINIA, I WAS SUBMERGED IN A CULTURE THAT DID NOT LOOK LIKE MY OWN AT SCHOOL.

BUT THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, MY PARENTS LIKE WENT TO AN HBCU, SO HOMECOMING WAS LIT 'CAUSE THEY WERE ALUM AND THEN MY SISTER WAS GOING TO IT.

SO I FELT LIKE I GOT THE BLACK EXCELLENCE EXPERIENCE, - YEAH.

- WHILE ALSO FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH BEING UNCOMFORTABLE.

IN MY HIGH, IN MY HIGH SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH, LIKE ELEMENTARY, I WAS THE ONLY BLACK STUDENT THERE.

JUNIOR HIGH, THERE WAS ONE OTHER ONE.

SO IT WAS, I HAD TO GET VERY COMFORTABLE WITH BEING DIFFERENT.

BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, I SAW WHAT BLACK EXCELLENCE LOOKED LIKE.

SO, YOU KNOW, MY SISTER AND THEM, PEOPLE, IF PEOPLE COULD SEE THAT TYPE OF EXCELLENCE AND BE PROUD OF IT, I THINK THEY WOULD GRAVITATE MORE TOWARDS HBCU.

- YEAH.

I ALSO THINK GROWING UP IN A PLACE LIKE WEST VIRGINIA, YOU SAW POOR WHITE PEOPLE TOO.

- DEFINITELY.

- AND YOU, YOU GET A CHANCE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GREW UP, I SAW NO WHITE PEOPLE.

- [RENEE] WHY?

- BECAUSE I WAS IN THE ENCLAVE THAT ACTUALLY WAS STARTED BY BLACK PEOPLE, FOR BLACK PEOPLE.

BUT THE WHITES THAT WE WOULD SEE IN UPPER NORTHWEST ATLANTA BEFORE YOU GET TO BUCKHEAD WERE POOR.

LIKE WE EVEN HAD ONE THAT WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH US AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, THEN HE JUST DISAPPEARED ONE DAY.

JUST NEVER, NEVER CAME BACK.

- WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

- I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO, FOR POOR PEOPLE TO KEEP COMING TO SCHOOL, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO HELP BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, MY TEAM, MY WIFE AND I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT POOR KIDS HAVE ABUNDANCE IN THE SUMMER.

THEY CAN EAT, THEY CAN FOCUS, THEY CAN STUDY.

PAW KIDS IS AN AMAZING NONPROFIT THAT SITS ON BANKHEAD RIGHT NEXT TO BANKHEAD SEAFOOD AND NOW DONALD LEE HOWELL.

THAT MAKES SURE KIDS CAN DO THINGS LIKE WASH CLOTHES, MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET READING AND WRITING.

- LOVE THAT.

BUT SO TALK ABOUT CLASS FOR A HOT SECOND, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE THE ONLY BLACK KID, BUT YOU'RE A BLACK KID, PARENTS WHO WENT TO HBCU, YOUR CONFIDENCE IS PROBABLY THROUGH THE ROOF.

BUT I'M SURE YOU WERE THERE WITH POOR WHITE CHILDREN TOO.

AND THERE'S A MISEDUCATION THAT HAPPENS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT KEEPS POOR PEOPLE SEPARATE.

IT TELLS POOR WHITE PEOPLE YOUR SKIN IS ENOUGH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES IT TAKES TO ESCAPE POVERTY.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES IT TAKES TO IDENTIFY WHEN THEY'RE BEING HUSTLED LIKE WEST VIRGINIA RIGHT NOW, IT'S HOLDING UP A BILL THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP - YEAH.

- OLD JOE, NOT BIDEN.

THE OTHER GUY - YEAH, I KNOW.

- IS HOLDING UP WHAT TO POTENTIALLY HELP PEOPLE.

YEAH.

I ALWAYS NAMED MY OPS.

- SORRY.

BUT IT'S ALL, BUT IT'S GOOD TO NAME BECAUSE HIS CONSTITUENTS, HE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WHAT HE'S DOING IS WRONG AND IT DOESN'T JUST HOLD UP BLACK PEOPLE AT CRT OR WHATEVER THING YOU THINK IT REALLY IS HOLDING POOR WHITE PEOPLE.

AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BOTTOM OF THE APPALACHIAN, TENNESSEE, RURAL ALABAMA, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT NORTH FLORIDA, SOUTH GEORGIA, POOR WHITE PEOPLE ARE AS DUPED BY EDUCATION.

THEY ARE AS THEY'RE DUPED BY HEALTHCARE AND POLITICIANS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING GROWN UP IN THAT ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU GOT A CHANCE TO SEE THE BEST OF US AND SOMETIMES THE WORST CONDITIONS FOR THEM.

WHAT WAS THAT LIKE AS A KID?

AND WHAT ADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR US AS A COUNTRY IN TERMS OF MENDING PAST RACE IN AN ACCORDING TO CLASS TO KIND OF PUSH FOR BETTER FOR ALL OF US?

- YOU KNOW, I THINK IF PEOPLE STARTED TO JUST LOOK AT THE SIMILARITIES, IT'S HARD TO DO, BECAUSE ALL WE LOOK AT IS THE DIFFERENCES AT FIRST, LIKE OUR SOCIETY, THE FIRST THING WE FOCUS ON IS HOW ARE WE DIFFERENT?

YOU'RE A MAN, I'M A WOMAN.

YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZE, EVEN IN SPORTS, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S BROKEN UP AND IT'S THE SAME WAY WHEN IT COMES TO GENDER AND CLASS, IN A SENSE OF IF YOU'RE WHITE, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CLASS YOU ARE IN PEOPLE'S MINDS.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, AT LEAST YOU'RE WHITE, BUT YOU GOT THE SAME STRUGGLES AS WE DO, AND WE'RE BLACK, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU'RE WHITE IN THIS INSTANCE, IF YOU'RE LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LINE, YOU'RE IN THE SAME GROUP AS EVERYONE ELSE LIVING BELOW THAT POVERTY LINE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT VOTING AND SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT INTO IT.

OR I DON'T KNOW, SINCE THAT AIN'T ME, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO USE OUR POWER FOR THEN?

DURING THE PANDEMIC, THE GAP IS ONLY GROWING.

THE POVERTY LINE IS GETTING THE PEOPLE UNDER IT IS GROWING.

AND SO I SAW IN WEST VIRGINIA, I DID SEE A LOT OF POVERTY, BUT I ALSO SAW THAT THERE WAS THAT DIVIDER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE MY PARENTS, I DID COME FROM BLACK EXCELLENCE, YOU KNOW, BOTH EDUCATED.

MY MOM WAS A COLLEGE PROFESSOR AT THAT TIME.

SO THE CONFIDENCE WAS THROUGH THE ROOF.

AND THEN I HAD TWO SISTERS THAT, TRY IT, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I KNEW I HAD THAT COMMON IS WALKING AROUND AND WE'RE LIKE, AIN'T NOBODY TALKING CRAZY TO ME.

I GOT TWO OLDER SISTERS THAT AIN'T PLAYING THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN A SCHOOL, YEAH, YOU START TO SEE, YOU START TO WONDER, LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU HATE ON ME?

WE'RE THE SAME, BUT PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT.

THEY SEE THAT.

NO, NO, YOU'RE A BLACK GIRL, EVEN IF I'M LIVING IN POVERTY AND, AND I'M A WHITE GUY, WE NOT THE SAME.

AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, WE ARE.

- YEAH.

YOU DID.

JAMES BALDWIN OFTEN TALKED ABOUT THAT ABOUT AMERICANS.

HE WAS LIKE, YOU GUYS ARE NOT GOING BACK TO EUROPE.

WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO AFRICA.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN- - FIGURE IT OUT.

- AND FIGURE IT OUT HOW TO LIVE HERE AND FIGURE IT OUT AND LEARN THAT THAT ALL OF US HAD BEEN DUPED ON SOME HOW THAT, WELL, I APPRECIATE HIM FOR THAT.

WHAT'S YOUR, CAUSE, YOU'RE INTO FEMALE LED COMPANIES, FOOD FOR THE HOMELESS, ENSURING ACCESS TO VOTING.

WHAT'S YOUR TOP FOCUS NOW.

I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE BIG ELECTIONS IN 2022, BUT PAST POLITICS AND PAST WHATEVER SOCIAL THING IS TAKEN UP AT THIS QUARTER.

WHAT IS THE ONE THING YOU COULD SAY?

THIS IS MY LIFETIME MISSION TO FOCUS ON THIS CAUSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ERADICATE OR THIS THING IS INDOCTRINATED IN US FOR THE, FOR THE GOOD, WHAT WOULD YOUR LEGACY IN THAT PHILANTHROPIC OR OTHERWISE?

- IT'S THINK IT'S JUST LIKE ADVANCEMENT.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY ADVANCEMENT IS WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WOMEN RECEIVE 4% OF MEDIA COVERAGE WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS, BUT 2% OF VENTURE CAPITAL FUNDS GO TO WOMEN, LIKE PEOPLE.

YEAH.

SO WOMEN LED FOUNDERS OR WOMEN LED STARTUPS.

2% OF ALL THE MONEY GOES TO WOMEN.

WHY?

I DO NOT KNOW WOMEN ARE CREATING COMPANIES JUST AS WELL AS MEN.

AND SO, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT MINORITIES, THE NUMBER IS STILL JUST AS LOW AS WELL.

SO I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO ADVANCEMENT WITH ME BEING A CO-OWNER OF THE ATLANTA DREAM, I'M LIKE SAYING ATLANTA DREAM EVERYWHERE, LIKE COME THROUGH COURT SIDE SEATS, WAITING FOR YOU, KILLER MIKE, LIKE YEAH, COME THROUGH.

BECAUSE LIKE THE MORE PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEMS, THE MORE LIGHT IS SHED ON IT.

THE MORE WE CAN ADVANCE AND THAT'S WOMEN AND MINORITIES.

SO, AND THEN ME BEING A GENERAL PARTNER AT VALOR VENTURES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE INVESTING IN MINORITY STARTUPS OR INVESTING IN WOMEN, LED STARTUPS BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEW WAY THAT MONEY IS BEING BUILT.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW LIKE THERE'S TRENDS OF MONEY IN THE PAST, GENERALLY LIKE GENERATIONAL INHERITANCE WAS HOW FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, YOU PASS THE MONEY DOWN FROM FAMILY TO FAMILY.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU TYPICALLY SAW THE TOP OF THE WEALTH CHARTS.

NOT ANYMORE.

THE PEOPLE AT THOSE WEB CHARTS ARE STARTUPS, FOUNDERS, EARLY EMPLOYEES TO THOSE FOUNDERS.

WELL THEN WHO'S GETTING THAT MONEY.

IT AIN'T US.

AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY LIKE MY LEGACY, IT'S JUST THE ADVANCEMENT OF MINORITIES AND WOMEN AND WHATEVER AVENUE THAT IS SPORTS, VENTURE CAPITAL, WHATEVER IT IS, LIKE WE GOT TO START TAKING IT UP.

WE KNOW NOW THE NUMBERS OF DIFFERENT FACTS ARE OUT THERE.

THE NUMBERS ARE OUT THERE.

WE KNOW THEM.

HOW CAN WE CHANGE THEM?

- YEAH.

ONE MORE, THE BIG THREE.

- YEAH.

- DOES IT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE?

IS THE BIG THREE GOING TO GROW?

- THE BIG THREE LEAGUE?

- YEAH.

- OH OKAY.

[LAUGHING] - ARE WE GOING TO SAY, OH YEAH, I'M IN TO BASKETBALL SO DOES, THE BIG THREE GROW, AND IF IT GROWS, DO WE SEE INTERSEX LEAGUE?

BECAUSE MY THING IS WITH A BIG THREE, MAN, YOU COULD HAVE THREE PEOPLE ON THE COURT.

YOU COULD HAVE TWO WOMEN, ONE MAN, ONE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO IT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT.

- THAT I LIKE WHERE YOUR HEAD'S AT.

COME ON BECAUSE LISA LESLIE WAS THE COACH AND ONE OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS.

SO THERE'S ALREADY AN INFUSION OF WOMEN IN TO THAT WORLD.

AND I THINK WITH ICE CUBE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE, I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE OPPOSED TO IT.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS BIG THREE, ATHLETICISM IS OUT OF THE EQUATION.

ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS IS SOME PLAYERS THAT ACTUALLY ARE STILL IN THEIR PRIME, BUT SOME PLAYERS ARE PAST THAT PRIME AND THEY'RE PLAYING THAT FUNDAMENTAL BASKETBALL JUST SO I COULD ACTUALLY SEE IT WORKING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE IF YOU PUT A MAN VERSUS A WOMAN UP IN, IN PLAYING ONE-ON-ONE IN THEIR PRIME, THERE'S PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES THAT MIGHT MAKE THAT GAME NOT AS EXCITING.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BIG THREE AND HOW IT'S SET UP AND I MEAN IT'S HALF COURT, YOU AIN'T RUNNIN' UP AND DOWN THE COURT.

- I WOULD ARGUE THOUGH, THERE ARE SOME SPORTS LIKE WHEN BILLIE JEAN KING BEAT THE REPORTER WHO WAS TALKING TRASH, SHE DRUG HIM.

- HE'S NOT A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT REAL ATHLETES.

- I WOULD SAY - HE HAD NO BUSINESS TRYING TO GO AGAINST HER.

- SERENA IN HER PRIME, I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEE, GO AGAINST MCNROE IN HIS PRIME.

- I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEE THAT, KING RICHARD, - I'D LOVED TO SEE THAT.

- YEAH - I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEE THAT AS WELL, IN A SENSE.

I MEAN, BUT EVEN STILL, I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S NEEDED THOUGH.

- YEAH - YOU KNOW, LIKE SERENA IS DOING HER THING ON HER SIDE OF THINGS AND YOU KNOW, LIKE SPORTS ARE NEVER GOING TO BECOME UNISEX IN GENERAL.

SO THAT'S, BUT THE BIG THREE, THAT'S A GOOD SITUATION WHERE IT COULD, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE, CAUSE THERE'S LITTLE GIRLS RIGHT NOW THAT SAY THAT THEY WANT TO GROW UP AND PLAY IN THE NBA.

AND I'M LIKE, BUT WHY MY WHOLE LIFE WE PLAYED LIKE FOR THE HONOR, WE AREN'T MAKING, WE WEREN'T MAKING VERY MUCH MONEY.

WE STILL AREN'T MAKING A LOT OF MONEY COMPARED TO THE MEN'S SIDE.

SO WE PLAY FOR THE HONOR, WE PLAY FOR THE GROWTH OF THE LEAGUE.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE LITTLE GIRLS COMING UP SAYING, THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY IN THE LEAGUE.

IT'S LIKE, BABY, WE BUILDING THIS FOR YOU.

- ABSOLUTELY.

- LIKE THIS IS FOR YOU.

- I EXPECT TO SEE MORE COACHING, MORE, MORE DOMINANT PLAYERS.

I EXPECT TO SEE THE AUDIENCE GROW AND WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT MUSIC THAT GET BUCK - LET'S GO.

- SO, MAN, RENEE MONTGOMERY.

THIS HAS BEEN AN AMAZING CONVERSATION.

I'M TALKING TO A SUPERSTAR, TALKING TO AN OWNER, TALKING TO A LEADER, TALKING TO A WIFE, TALKING TO A MOTHER, AND I'VE BEEN HONORED TO TALK TO YOU.

WITH LOVE AND RESPECT Y'ALL.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

- THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

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