
Jon Hamm, Kristen Wiig, Joey King, and more
Season 20 Episode 2 | 26m 39sVideo has Closed Captions
Jon Hamm, Kristen Wiig, Kim Kardashian, Chloë Sevigny, Joey King, and Taylor Zakhar Perez
With Jon Hamm ("Fargo", "The Morning Show") & Kristen Wiig ("Palm Royale"), Kim Kardashian ("American Horror Story: Delicate") & Chloë Sevigny ("Feud: Capote vs. The Swans"), and Joey King ("We Were the Lucky Ones") & Taylor Zakhar Perez ("Red, White, & Royal Blue")
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Jon Hamm, Kristen Wiig, Joey King, and more
Season 20 Episode 2 | 26m 39sVideo has Closed Captions
With Jon Hamm ("Fargo", "The Morning Show") & Kristen Wiig ("Palm Royale"), Kim Kardashian ("American Horror Story: Delicate") & Chloë Sevigny ("Feud: Capote vs. The Swans"), and Joey King ("We Were the Lucky Ones") & Taylor Zakhar Perez ("Red, White, & Royal Blue")
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipAngelique Jackson: Have you ever wondered what it's like to be on the set of your favorite TV shows?
Kim Kardashian: And I was like, "Oh my God, okay."
Angelique: "Variety Studio" is the only place to see candid, one-on-one conversations between your favorite stars as they break down this year's most buzzed about comedies, dramas, mini series, and TV movies.
Jon Hamm: We could not keep it together remotely.
Angelique: With Jon Hamm and Kristen Wiig, Kim Kardashian and Chloe Sevigny, and Joey King and Taylor Zakhar Perez.
Welcome to "Variety Studio, Actors on Actors."
I'm Angelique Jackson.
Clayton Davis: And I'm Clayton Davis.
In this episode, we had the opportunity to pull back the curtain on this golden era of television.
Angelique: As the biggest A-listers flock to the small screen and deliver some of their most nuanced performances yet.
Clayton: The dynamic duo of Jon Hamm and Kristen Wiig reunite in the "Variety Studio" to unleash some laughter, reminisce about the good old days of "Bridesmaids," and delve into their exciting new television ventures.
Jon Hamm, the Emmy-winning "Mad Man," is captivating as a corrupt sheriff who terrorizes the townsfolk in the anthology crime series, "Fargo."
Jon: God cuts our names into bone, and that's what we become, he blows his holy trumpet and the walls fall down.
You all came here to find Lot's wife, but she's already a pillar of salt and she ain't turning back.
So, go and live or stay and die, it's up to you.
Clayton: And in "The Morning Show," he plays a tech billionaire who plots to get control of a cable news network.
Jon: That article is not why she resigned.
Jennifer Aniston: Well, then what?
Okay, I just spoke to Gail, she said that she saw you go into Bradley's dressing room right before she went on air, so you just tell me what happened, what did you say to her?
Jon: A friend of mine from the FBI reached out to me, the feds are considering leveling charges against Bradley and her brother.
Jennifer: What, what are you talking about?
Clayton: And "Saturday Night Live" alum and Oscar nominee, Kristen Wiig, hilariously transports us to 1969 South Florida, as a woman scheming her way into the exclusive resort club, "The Palm Royale."
Kristen Wiig: Ladies, I have an announcement.
I know, yeah, surprised to see me, considering you left me for dead.
But the lemons you gave me have turned into lemonade, because the President, Mr. Richard Milhouse Nixon, is coming to the beach ball.
female: President Nixon is coming to your party?
Kristen: He wants to meet the astronaut, yes, and me.
Dominic Burgess: Astounding.
Kristen: Hamm, Hamm, we're starting.
Jon: Hi, hi.
Kristen: We're starting.
Jon: Hi.
Kristen: I think it was a good idea we slept here last night.
Jon: I love sleeping in makeup.
Kristen: Oh, me too.
Jon: It's so good.
Kristen: I love sleeping in a kind of set.
Jon: Just a set.
We're gonna talk.
Kristen: Talk about Fargo, just kidding.
Jon: Here's the thing, the city or the show?
Kristen: Can I give you a compliment?
Jon: Sure.
Kristen: That you are amazing on "Fargo" and "The Morning Show," two different characters.
Jon: Very different, shot at the same time.
Kristen: Really?
Jon: Yeah, I was shooting those, parallel tracks, flying back from Calgary, to here in Los Angeles, and I was shooting them both.
Kristen: You're so good, and I loved seeing you in like a bad guy.
Jon: Thank you, I enjoyed doing both of them, it was super fun.
I was watching "Fargo" since it started, because.
Kristen: So good.
Jon: I just thought, I thought it was such a bold idea to take that movie that was so awesome and try to reimagine it, so it was fun to be a part of it.
Kristen: And Noah, did he write it?
Jon: Noah wrote it, yeah.
Kristen: Wow.
Jon: Yeah, yeah, it's an ambitious undertaking.
Kristen: Let's talk about your character in "Fargo."
Jon: Sheriff Roy Tillman.
Kristen: Roy, yes, who I did hear you said was visually kind of based on the "Marlboro" man.
Jon: Well, that was Noah's hope, he said, "I want this guy to be the 'Marlboro' man," and I was like.
Kristen: It kinda was.
Jon: "Okay."
Kristen: But definitely more, nefarious?
Jon: Well, sure, I mean, obviously, there's some serious darkness to that.
I think what he, what Noah was trying to do is sort of explode this idea of this rugged individualist, that seems to be a very popular idea right now, it's kind of like sovereign citizen and, "No one can tell me what to do, and this is my freedom, and it's all about me."
It's this very self-centered, narcissistic idea of what being an individual has to be, being free must be.
You're free from all of the constraints of government and society, and all these things.
Well, of course that's impossible, but there are people who subscribe to that, and when they take it to the extreme, this is what you get, this guy who hasn't, the rules don't apply because he makes the rules.
And I think to a certain segment of the population, that's not a bad thing.
Kristen: Yeah.
Jon: Like people are celebratory of that.
And I think it is a cautionary tale, of like, yeah, you know what, we do need--we need to live in a community, we need to live in a society that has rules and we need to follow the rules.
Kristen: When we meet Roy in "Fargo," you have quite an entrance, or should I say, a rising up out of the water?
Jon: Oh, yes.
Kristen: You are in full nipple piercings.
Jon: Completely naked, with.
Kristen: What were you wearing?
Jon: I was wearing a sock around the junk, junk sock.
Kristen: Wow, junk sock.
Jon: But there's a process of making fake nipples that stick onto my real nipples that have little earrings in them.
Kristen: Was it like an adhesive?
Jon: Sure, it's a little latex sitch, and then it's like, just on the day, like, "Okay, I'm gonna sit in this hot tub for a while," and at a certain point.
Kristen: It wasn't cold?
Jon: It wasn't cold, it was a hot tub, it was nice.
Kristen: No, I mean, like, outside.
Jon: Outside?
Yeah, but inside it was okay, so I just kind of hung out all day, and it was a weird day.
I mean, talk about cold, "Home Royale."
Kristen: Yeah, great segue, didn't look cold.
Kristen: It wasn't.
Jon: No, so the opposite of cold.
How did it come about?
You didn't write it, because I know you write.
Kristen: I did not write it.
Kristen: It came to me through this actress, I don't know if you've heard of her, her name is Laura Dern.
Jon: No.
Kristen: Icon, Laura Dern.
Jon: Oh, Bruce Dern's kid.
Kristen: Yeah, I mean, I just love Laura Dern.
Jon: I love her too.
Kristen: Had this in development for a few years, she had the book.
Yeah, and then I just said yes.
Jon: Well, it's so good, I love it so much for you.
Because it gets, you get a chance to do all of the things that you do so well.
Kristen: Thank you.
Jon: And did you shoot that in Miami, or?
Kristen: We shot it in LA.
Jon: In LA, it's amazing, because it's so mid-century and it feels so of that time.
Kristen: It's such a bubble, like nowhere else in the country were they dressed like that and doing that, it's this weird vortex of like pastels and day drinking.
Jon: It must have been such a, like such a fun, especially with Leslie Bibb and Carol Burnett.
Kristen: I mean, she's a legend, sorry I swore, she deserves it.
I grew up watching her, I mean.
Jon: Me too.
Kristen: Influenced so many people in sketch comedy, and being a woman at that time with her own show.
She's also just like, she shows up on set, she knows everyone's name, she's telling stories, she kinda hangs out on set in between, she's such a light, people just like lit up around her.
Jon: I like to hear that because I feel like part of it is like to not get jaded or over it, or feel like, "Phew, I gotta be here."
It's like, I get, we get to be here, I love going to work.
Kristen: Me too.
Jon: So, obviously, the crazy thing about "Palm Royale" is how much DNA it sort of shares with "Mad Men," and that kind of beautiful fashion and architecture and culture and style, all of it.
I mean, I know how fun it was because I did it for 10 years, but to be able to put those clothes on, I mean, it's all so, it's so weird what we get to do, and get to do it, not have to do it, we get to do it.
It's so weird and fun and awesome.
And when they say like, "Well, do you wanna do that?"
You're like, "Yeah."
Kristen: Yeah, but we haven't talked about "The Morning Show."
Jon: We haven't, I was on that show.
Kristen: Which I love, you were in that show.
What a great group of people to work with.
Billy?
I mean, you had a lot of scenes with Billy, he's so good.
Jon: Billy Crudup, who I saw on stage in like 1994, and I was like, "Who is this guy?"
Kristen: He was my first onscreen kiss.
Jon: Billy Crudup?
We kissed on screen, didn't we?
Kristen: We did.
Jon: Right.
Kristen: In "Bridesmaids."
Jon: That was a fun movie.
Kristen: It was so fun.
That was the last day.
Jon: Yes, that was the last day of shooting, everybody just wanted to leave and we were goofing around.
Kristen: Are you kidding?
Everyone was so-- Jon: The crew did.
Kristen: No, they were like, Jon Hamm's coming, are you kidding me, no, I disagree.
Jon: Well, okay, but it felt, it was definitely that, like, last-day energy of people, like, "Can we, are we?"
And we could not keep it together remotely, and we're in, like, naked bodysuits.
Oh boy.
Kristen: It was so dumb.
Jon: It was so dumb and fun and amazing.
And you got nominated for an Oscar.
Kristen: Well, and you're in it, and you made it great.
Jon: Thank you for having me.
♪♪♪♪♪ Angelique: What do you get when the queen of reality TV meets the ultimate indie it-girl?
Kim Kardashian and Chloe Savigny Dishing on their experiences in the Ryan Murphy multiverse.
In the spine-tingling anthology series, "American Horror Story, Delicate," we're keeping up with Kim Kardashian's meta portrayal of a savvy publicist who will go to any lengths to support her client.
Kim: I'm gonna give you the life of your dreams, I'm gonna send you every high-profile, wealthy patient, who will do anything for a baby, spend anything for a baby.
You will become a number one fertility specialist in New York City, while always looking amazing, and all you have to do is do exactly what I say.
How does that sound?
Is that a yes?
Denis O'Hare: Yes, yes, yes.
Who are you?
Kim: I'm Siobhan Corbyn, and I make my own rules.
Angelique: In "Feud, Capote vs. the Swans," Oscar nominee, Chloe Sevigny, portrays a New York City socialite, adding a welcome touch of edgy elegance to the tale of friendship turned sour.
Tom Hollander: Is there anything you can do, can you talk to her?
Chloe Sevigny: God, I worry about you, Truman.
I see you being so careless with all these gifts, let alone your life, not only your friendships, but talent.
Truman, babe, I don't know, but I'll try.
Chloe: I do not like appearing as myself on camera.
Kim, hi.
Kim: Hi.
Chloe: You have appeared as yourself on camera since you were?
Kim: Twenties, in my twenties, yeah, so 20 years.
Chloe: And now you're transitioning?
Kim: Into acting.
Chloe: To being somebody else on camera, how is that?
Kim: I really enjoy it.
You know, it started off as something that was a challenge to myself, and I got an amazing opportunity to work with Ryan Murphy.
Chloe: And I was gonna ask you about Ryan Murphy, so, did you go to him or did he go to you?
Kim: He came to me, and he actually came to-- Chloe: That makes sense.
Kim: Me with an idea that was kind of reality-based, and I wasn't into it, and then he came back and said, "You know what?
I really wanna write something for you, and would you consider doing 'American Horror Story'"?
And I obviously know the franchise and how amazing the show is, and it was an honor that he even believed in me.
Calls me a week later, and says, "Okay, I have the idea, but you have, like, 24 hours to decide if you're gonna do it."
And I was like, "Oh my God, okay."
Chloe: Did you get to see a script or it was just off an idea?
Kim: No script, off of an idea.
And so, I agreed to it, committed, yeah, so trusting, no scripts.
I mean, my feeling was that, "Okay, every year I want to do something that makes me terribly uncomfortable," and I tried it and I just really enjoyed the process.
I have a question.
Do you find it difficult to take on an accent and to really become a character?
Chloe: I do find accents very challenging.
I've done accents before and have been asked to, then, drop them, so now I'm, like, super in my head about it and really paranoid that I'm just bad at them.
I even, actually, with "Feud," CZ's accent, I don't want to use the word "nuts," but it was her accent's pretty nuts, there's only like two examples you can find online of her speaking in her voice, and it's like a Boston Brahmin/English and she'll like, say the same word in one sentence two different ways.
But I worked for months on the accent, and then we got on set, like one of my first days, and at the end of the day, Ryan came up to me, he's like, "I think we have to drop the accent."
I was like, "I worked so hard on this accent."
He's like, "Nobody's gonna believe that someone speaks like this."
I was like, "Well, she does," you know?
And I just kind of, yeah, minimized it.
Are you gonna do an accent?
Kim: I would be open to it, especially because I find my voice is so just distinct and annoying, so.
Chloe: I think we all find our voices annoying.
Kim: I would love to, but I couldn't start off with something super challenging.
Chloe: Yeah, ease your way in, yeah.
Kim: With "American Horror Story," for me, I just always wanted to be prepared, and that was really important to me, just to-- Chloe: Prepared and on time.
Kim: Exactly, and not waste, I was gonna say, "And not waste people's time," because I think they weren't sure how prepared I would be, and so they allotted a scene a day, and we finished fairly quickly, so they would say like, "Can we add in another scene?"
Because it's, like, on the same set, and so we would do that and I would have to memorize, you know, more dialogue fairly quickly.
Chloe: I love how much you love working.
Kim: I do, maybe it's a deflection and other stuff, I don't know, but I know I generally, genuinely love working, it's like my happy place.
Did you know CZ Guest, did you know who she was, before you committed to the role?
Chloe: I did, because, you know, I'm a big lover of fashion, and so I'd grown up seeing images of her, and Babe, and Lee Dadziwill, and all the Swans, and they were kind of this iconic New York socialites.
And so I was familiar with certain images of her, but I didn't know anything about her until I read "Capote and the Women," and then started doing more research, there's a beautiful "Rizzoli" book that was put out about CZ, with different people, like, recounting her, memories of her, stories about her, people talking about her voice, her accent, her love of gardening, her love of, like, horses and dogs.
And you know, she was, like, kind of a tomboy, surprisingly, you know, you see all these images of her as a real glamor puss, but she was also, like, really understated and elegant.
I think she came from a lot of money herself, so I think she had a certain ease to her that I really wanted to project, and like, I wanted her to be very comfortable in herself, which obviously I'm not, as a person, but I wanted her to be.
So, yeah, it was fun, I loved playing her, I loved being on the set, I loved being with all the other women and like having these long, like, 10-page scenes, we're just sitting around a table, you know, having these amazing conversations.
And yeah, it was like a dream come true, and directed by Gus Van Sant, who I've always loved as a filmmaker and an artist.
It was the best.
I think, Ryan, actually, I went up to Ryan Murphy, and I, like, started crying and I was like, "Thank you for letting me play this part, because I've never had an opportunity to play with someone like that, this elegant woman."
And I was like, "Thank you for giving me, like, this opportunity to play a different court, you know, for recognizing that I could play this," and it was a really sweet moment.
Kim: Isn't he the best at just making you feel so confident that you can do it?
I think everyone needs someone like that in their life, that just gives you, like, an extra push on just believing in yourself.
Chloe: Yeah, he's a dream boat.
Kim: He really is.
♪♪♪♪♪ Clayton: Joey King and Taylor Zakhar Perez are going from the kissing booth to tackling roles that defy expectations as they highlight culture, love, and hope.
In the historical drama, "We Were the Lucky Ones," Emmy nominee, Joey King, brilliantly portrays a young Jewish lab assistant whose family is torn apart by the onset of World War II.
Joey King: We should not be here.
Lior Ashkenazi: But we are.
Joey: People left, we could have left.
Lior: No, this is our home.
Joey: And we will wait, and it will pass, and we will ignore the signs, and we will follow the rules, and we will jump if they tell us to jump off the bridge.
And if we say, "No, I don't want to jump, that's crazy, why would I jump?"
We realize that it's too late because they're not giving us a choice anymore because I have a --gun pointed at my head.
Lior: That's enough.
Clayton: In a royal love affair fit for the ages, Taylor Zakhar Perez takes us on a heartwarming journey in "Red, White & Royal Blue," elegantly portraying the son of the US president who finds love in the British monarchy.
Henry: Alex has very strong opinions and he shares them loudly.
Alex: What three words would I use to describe Henry?
White, blonde, and British.
Henry: One thing I most admire about Alex is his willingness to admit when he's wrong.
Wonderful, wonderful trait to have.
Alex: You don't know this, but Henry does the best freestyle raps.
Come on, do a little for him.
Henry: No, not wise.
Alex: She wants to hear it.
Remember that one that was just like ba uh ba da bum ah.
Henry: Don't you do an incredible Barbara Streisand impression?
Voice of an angel this one really.
Alex: I love hanging out with this guy.
Taylor Zakhar Perez: Let's reminisce.
Joey: Taylor.
Taylor: Joey.
Joey: Taylor Zakhar Perez.
Taylor: We met at a studio during our test for a "Kissing Booth 2."
Joey: Yeah, so we met on the "Kissing Booth 2" and "3."
Joey: And I remember you asked me a question and you were like, "I don't know, like, I just wanted to ask you, do you, like, normally, like, stay friends with people that you work with or do you kind of, like, be really close to them on set and then you just don't talk to them very much afterwards?"
And it was-- Taylor: Valid question.
Joey: It was a really sweet question, because I felt like the subtext was like, "Are we gonna be friends after this?"
Taylor: And that was the subtext, completely.
Joey: The subtext was, "Are we gonna be friends?"
And I told you, I was like, "It depends."
Taylor: It does, it does depend, but we were together, what?
We had rehearsals, and then went to South Africa for five months together.
After our five months in South Africa.
Joey: We went our separate ways.
Taylor: We went our separate ways.
Joey: So, your movie that, you were a co-lead of, and you do it so beautifully, "Red, White & Royal Blue," I wanna know a lot of things, but I wanna know, you know, you were working with Uma Thurman, who, like, wow, how cool is that?
She's playing your mom, she's so great.
Taylor: It's just like, layer on layer of it, like, first of all, being Uma Thurman, secondly, President of United States, and like, most importantly, mom.
Joey: How cool was that, working with her?
Taylor: Seriously the best, like, she's such a powerhouse, and she lets you play, and she, when it's not her coverage and it's on you, she does different things to get different reactions out of you.
Joey: That's so, I love that, that's so considerate.
Taylor: Yeah, I'm so grateful for it because I've worked with actor, and I know you've worked with actors, where they will not act on your coverage.
Joey: It's honestly the most heartbreaking thing, because to me, when people do that, I'm like, "Oh, so you don't love acting, because I gave you my everything."
Taylor: My everything.
Joey: My heart on a platter.
Taylor: Yeah, and it's so rude.
Joey: Speaking of hearts on platters.
Taylor: Tell me.
Joey: The scene, okay, I just wanna talk about the scene in "Red, White & Royal Blue" where your character, Alex, and Prince Henry kiss for the first time.
Taylor: You okay?
Joey: Oh my God, no, I'm, oh man, I loved that scene so much, so steamy, so sexy.
You know, this movie, it's a huge movie for the LGBTQ community, and that's a big responsibility.
And "Red, White & Royal Blue" is, like, absolutely getting its flowers, and it deserves it.
And I wanna know what it feels like to have that kind of response.
Taylor: What I think is most interesting is that I've been stopped by a ton of people from, I mean, from 15 years old to like 80 years old, men, women, telling me how much this film means to them.
And I stop and talk to them for like five minutes, and my friends and family are like, "We gotta go, like, we're going to a movie, we're going to dinner."
I'm like, "Oh, okay, sorry," like I just get, like.
Joey: It's really special, though, like, it's touched people.
Taylor: Like similarly with you and "We Were the Lucky Ones," like, you have such a great responsibility to tell this story for the Kurc family, and what has the response been for you?
Joey: Well, the response has been so overwhelmingly wonderful and positive, and I think the thing I was really nervous about was Georgia's family.
So, Georgia Hunter is the author of the novel our show is based on, "We Were the Lucky Ones," and it's about her family, her real family, and I was nervous for them to see it.
So, the character I play, Halina Kurc, and the rest of the characters represented on screen are now deceased, but their children and their grandchildren, and their great grandchildren, they're all alive.
And so, I've met so many of them and that was incredible.
Taylor: Were they on set, ever?
Joey: Halina's daughter came to visit the set, and she came up to me when she saw me, having never met me, and like, stretched her arms out and said, "Mama."
And I was, like, so emotional, because, like, she didn't have to do that, she didn't have to, she has no idea what my performance is like yet.
Taylor: Chills right now.
Joey: She doesn't know me, and yet she's there, like, basically embracing me with her words, being like, "I trust you with my mother's story."
Like, it was just, it just felt, it was really special.
And then I got to attend a screening that, it was the first time they'd seen the first episode, and I got so emotional, man.
I was like, the whole press tour for "We Were the Lucky Ones" has been, you know, I've been really good about locking it up and keeping my emotions together.
Taylor: It's a serious project.
Joey: But the screening with all of them was like a floodgate opened and I was just, it was, I mean, I cried of joy.
What a moment, to be able to sit there with that beautiful bloodline in front of me was incredible.
Taylor: I remember a line, one of your co-stars, Hadas, when her daughter has dyed her hair blonde, and they put her in a school as a non-Jewish person.
And she comes home and you say to her, "You have sad Jew eyes."
Joey: Yeah, "You have Jewish eyes."
Taylor: Like, that was, I had the chills again, I, like, wanted to cry in that moment.
Joey: It's interesting, because that scene is supposed to kind of be a moment of levity, but it has such weight and darkness to it, because I'm sitting there, kind of teasing my sister, who's played by Hadas Yaron, and I'm saying to her, you know, like, "You have to laugh at the Nazi's jokes, you have to lift your spirits.
If we look as sad as we feel, we might as well just denounce ourselves."
This is where this family found levity?
Like, by teasing each other, about, like, this was their lifeline to be able to have a normal sisterly moment even while discussing something so not normal.
Taylor: But you were leading that family, I think.
Joey: Halina was really quite this, like, driving force for her family, like, she kind of stepped in to this role of orchestrating a lot of the safety of her family.
Taylor: When you get the parents out of that work camp?
Joey: The factory.
Taylor: Oh my gosh, and you hide them somewhere.
Joey: Every night.
Taylor: And also, the scene when you get your husband out of?
Joey: A labor camp.
Taylor: He's rounded up.
Joey: He goes to a labor camp.
And it just, you know, there's so many moments in the show, not just one, not just two, but that really show perspective of like the things we take for granted.
♪♪♪♪♪ Clayton: We hope you've enjoyed this episode of "Variety Studio, Actors on Actors."
Angelique: Please join us again next time.
Chloe: It's awkward because there's like a million people in this room.
Kim: Yeah, you almost can't see anyone, so.
Kristen: You were in it, on it, around--uh.
Taylor: Oh, you're gonna stand, you can--I can stand.
Joey: No, we can't stand if we wanna get, I'll just get on my knees and hug you, let's get on our knees and hug.
Jon: You know what, I'm tired, so I'm gonna probably just.
Kristen: You gonna go back to sleep?
Jon: Go back to sleep.
Kristen: Alright.
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