THEY HANG OUT IN CLUBHOUSES FOR CROOKS?

>> CATHY: WHILE CANDIDATES MAKE THEIR FINAL PUSH BEFORE ELECTION DAY, WHAT SHOULD VOTERS REALLY BE WATCHING FOR?

PROFESSOR DAVID SCHULTZ IS JOINING US TO SHARE HIS THOUGHTS.

HE TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY AND IS ALSO AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ST.

THOMAS.

>> CATHY: AS WE'VE BEE FRAUD, FRAUD, MORE FRAUD.

SO, FEDERAL R OFFICIALS IN MINNESOTA TO TALK ABOUT FRAUD, KIND OF TAKING ONE LAST ATTEMPT TO KIND OF SWIPE DEMOCRATS WITH THIS ISSUE.

WILL THIS STICK AS A BIG ISSUE FOR VOTERS?

>> WELL, WHAT'S INTERESTING RIGHT NOW, IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, NATIONWIDE IN THE POLLS, WHAT'S EMERGED AS THE TOP ISSUE IS FRAUD, CORRUPTION, EXCEPT WHAT'S NOT CLEAR AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY IN MINNESOTA, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE HERE, ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT FRAUD, CRAFT AND CORRUPTION AT THE STATE LEVEL OR AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL?

SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE CLARITY ON THIS, AND ESPECIALLY AMONG THE UNDECIDED VOTERS WHO ARE STILL ABOUT 7 TO 10% OF THE POPULATION, WHEN THEY THINK OF CRAFT, THEY THINK OF CORRUPTION, ARE THEY THINKING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, ARE THEY THINKING THE STATE?

THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF THEY VOTE, THEY'RE LIKELY TO VOTE AGAINST THE INCUMBENT SO, WHO'S THE INCUMBENT PARTY?

IS IT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NATIONALLY OR IS IT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STATEWIDE?

>> Cathy: SAY, I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK OF NO VICE PRESIDENT VANCE IN St.

CLOUD.

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN St.

CLOUD, SO THEY SENT OTHER FEDERAL OFFICIALS TODAY.

THE PRESIDENT RESCHEDULED HIS RALLIES IN IOWA AND KANSAS.

I THINK HEY'RE BACK ON.

I'M NOT EXACTLY -- NO ONE'S REALLY SURE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

WHAT'S WITH THE OVEMENT OF VANCE AND TRUMP AND THE ELECTION IN THE LAST DAYS HERE?

>> I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHATEVER POLLS THEY HAVE, TELLING THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO TO HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT AND BASICALLY SAY THAT, OKAY, THEY MAY BE WORRIED ABOUT LOSING IOWA, MAYBE WORRIED ABOUT LOSING KANSAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND, SO, DO YOU WANT SAY, WITH SCARCE RESOURCE, THE MOST SCARCE RESOURCE RIGHT NOW IS TIME, SO YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE THE WIG IT'S -- BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BIGGEST BUCK.

I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, THE POLLS MAY BE STARTING TO SUGGEST AT THIS POINT THAT THE CHANCES OF REPUBLICAN PICKUPS HERE, MAYBE IN THE SENATE RACE, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE LESS THAN THEY THAN TH THEY ARELESS ELSEWHERE, BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU HAVE TO DEFEND YOUR CORE BASES, PLACES LIKE KANSAS, IOWA, TEXAS.

>> Cathy: ARE YOU URPRISED THAT SO MANY RACES ARE TOSSUPS AND SO CLOSE THAT SHOULD BE IN REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLDS?

>> I AM SURPRISED BY THAT.

BUT IT ALSO SPEAKS TO, AGAIN, IT IS A REFERENDUM, MIDTERM ELECTIONS ON THE PRESIDENT'S PARTY.

HE'S GOT AN APPROVAL RATING ABOUT 34%.

SO WE GOT A LOFT THAT GOING ON AT THIS POINT.

THERE MAY BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT, AS THE POLLS ARE INDICATING, I'M GOING TO CALL IT TRUMP FATIGUE.

BUT ALSO, IN STATES LIKE TEXAS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE I USED TO LIVE, I USED TO TEACH IN TEXAS -- >> Cathy: THAT'S RIGHT.

>> -- YOU'RE SEEING DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFTS GOING ON THERE THAT ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

SAME IN PLACES LIKE SOUTH CAROLINA, IOWA, SO FORTH.

SO THIS MAY JUST BE REFLECTING SHIFTING MIGRATION PATTERNS AS PEOPLE ARE MOVING AROUND, TOO.

>> Cathy: THERE WAS A NATIONAL STORY ON MORNING EDITION THIS MORNING ABOUT AN INCREASE IN I.C.E.

AGENT ACTIVITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND THAT, OF COURSE, SENDS THE ANTENNA UP FOR MANY VOTERS.

AND THERE'S, OF COURSE, THERE HAVE BEEN THOUGHTS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SCENARIOS OF FEDERAL INTERFERENCE IN THIS ELECTION.

BUT, REALLY, HOW LIKELY IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN?

>> IT'S PRETTY UNLIKELY FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE ALMOST ALL THE SCENARIOS, AND I'VE RUN THIS THROUGH A FEW TIMES HERE, BASICALLY FIVE SCENARIOS, CAN'T CALL OFF THE ELECTION, CAN'T SEIZE THE BALLOTS EASILY, REMEMBER, THEY'RE ALL IN POSSESSION OF STATES, THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, NOT LIKELY.

SOMEONE'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, FRUDZ A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.

FROM A REAL-WORLD PERSPECTIVE, PRETTY LOW ALSO, TOO, BECAUSE, REMEMBER, WE HAVE A HUGELY DECENTRALIZED ELECTION SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY.

IT WOULD TAKE COORDINATION BEYOND WHAT'S POSSIBLE FOR ANYBODY TO BE ABLE TO RIG THE ELECTION.

I MEAN, I ALSO HAVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE AT ALL THE TALKS I'VE BEEN GIVING THIS YEAR, IF YOU'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTIONS, THERE'S ONE THING YOU CAN DO, VOTE.

>> Cathy: THERE YOU GO.

THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF ELECTION MONITORS SENT OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> RIGHT.

>> Cathy: FEDERAL ELECTION MONITORS.

NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT HAT?

>> NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THAT.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.

IN THE SOUTH, CLASSICALLY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WASN'T ANY FEDERAL INTERFERENCE WITH THE ENFORCEMENT F THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

SO ON ONE LEVEL, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THE PROBLEM BECOMES, I KEEP HEARING PEOPLE SAY, ARE THEY GOING TO SEND THE TROOPS OUT, THE MILITARY OUT?

THAT'S ILLEGAL UNDER FEDERAL LAW, CAN'T HAPPEN.

>> Cathy: I GOTTA ASK YOU ABOUT CONGRESSWOMAN I ABOUT CONGRESSWOMAN ILHAN OMAR, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DECLINED TO UNSEAL THE COURT DOCUMENTS IN THAT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AGAINST HER.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION BECAUSE THE FEDS, FEDERAL AGENTS SEIZED HER ELL PHONE.

>> YEAH.

>> Cathy: I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE BIPARTISAN CONCERN ABOUT THAT AT THE CAPITOL, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, HER OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT CELL PHONE.

HER OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT CELL PHONE, IT RAISES, AGAIN, IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOUT SEPARATION OF POWERS.

BUT EVEN IF IT'S HER PERSONAL CELL PHONE, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THERE.

BUT CERTAINLY IF IT'S HER GOVERNMENT PHONE, THERE'S MAJOR MAJOR PROBLEMS THERE.

NOT TO SAY THAT THEY CAN'T GET A SEARCH WARRANT, EXECUTE IT, BUT THERE'S A PROBLEM.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION VERY QUICKLY HERE, ALL THIS SEEMS TO BE GROWING OUT OF ALLEGATIONS ABOUT SOMETHING APPROACHING WHAT MAY BE FRAUD COMMITTED FOR IMMIGRATION STATUS.

REMEMBER, SHE WAS 17.

HER FATHER APPLIED FOR IMMIGRATION STATUS, GETS CITIZENSHIP, SHE AUTOMATICALLY GETS IT.

ANY FRAUD, IF IT OCCURRED AT ALL, IS BEYOND THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.

IT'S NOT PROSECUTABLE.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT.

I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD ELECTION DAY.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING FOR THE BBC.

>> BBC, BBC WORLD, LONDON TIMES.

FRANCE 24.

AND MS -- USED TO CALL